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This episode features John Welbourn talking about lifting and training philosophies.
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Great episode! Love it.
Fantastic show. Listened to it twice. I wish you would do more episodes like this.
So John tore his ACL deadlifting?
I wonder if the Crossfit games will start to be infiltrated by people who don’t really Crossfit in the coming years. As the prestige of winning and the prize money continue to increase, it would be interesting to see if people with beastly work capacities and that ability to suffer come out of the woodwork. I’ve heard the phrase “We can do almost everything you do, but you can’t do anything we do” (or a derivation of it) used a few times to describe Crossfit, and it would be interesting to see if that is truly the case. It might help slow the bandwagon if people saw Crossfitters actually getting beat at their own game.
What is this pole method he’s talking about in reference to running and the middle of the foot? My MovNat fanboy parts want to know!
I have a hard time picking up some of they are talking about but it is
POSE http://www.posetech.com/
or similar method is Chi Running
It called “pose” running. Not sure if you need a subscription for this, but:
http://journal.crossfit.com/2010/07/romanov-discovery1.tpl#featureArticleTitle
This. was. awesome.
I did not tear my ACL deadlifting.
ACL tears occur when pivoting or landing from a jump. The knee gives-out when the ACL is torn. Very hard to tear an ACL when your foot is planted and there is no rotation. Pulling in a straight line like a DL did not cause this. My ACL tear happened a long time ago as the partial tear was old looking and not fresh and new. At least this is what the Doc showed me on the video from the surgery. Putting my knee under large loads caused problems as my knee has taken more abuse than most will see in 10 lifetimes.
Robb, Greg, John,
Is there a website (other than robbwolf.com, catalyst, or CFFB) or book you recommend for geeking out on these different methods?
Thanks,
Best.
Best podcast in a while. I love to hear honest evaluation of different training methodologies.
John, thanks for doing the show. I’m a big fan of TTMJ, that’s http://www.talktomejohnnie.com/ folks, and it was cool to have an entire episode dedicated to you. I was going to suggest you coax Uncle Rip to come on with you next time– that would be epic, but then I realized he may not let get a word in edge-wise
Anyway, I hope there’s a follow-up with an opportunity to send in questions… It would be great to have you back on my favorite pod-cast.
Outstanding! This one is going to require multiple listens.
Here are is a book with A.S. Prilepin’s charts: http://flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?cid=222&m=PD&pid=72
Squat clusters on 6/13, very cool.
John,
Being able to listen to the advice of such a high caliber athlete is an honor. Thanks for your great comments. I would like to know if you could elaborate on your previous experience with Deep, Olympic squats and knee health. I assume now you are using a wide stance, West Side approach. Everyone could benefit from your analysis of the Deep Olympic Squat vs. the Powerlifting squat and how they correlate to knee health, mobility, and strength, respectively. Squatting deep with elevated heals has helped my knee health tremendously, and I would love to hear your take on this issue. Thanks for your time!
Outstanding episode, I wish there were more like this. I really took to heart John’s suggestion that we get out there and learn from people in person, instead of just reading about stuff on the internet. Also, I was one of those guys who was always trying to mix and match the “perfect plan”, but it wasn’t until I assessed my goals and stuck to a plan based on said goals (in my case, olympic weightlifting), that I started to see results.
John,
Who was the 165 freak you discussed toward the end of the podcast? He advocated being strong in pulling. Do you have a link to his training methods? Congratulations on twins in the near future!
I think Raphael Ruiz is the 165 freak you’re looking for, he runs the 1441 facility in Florida, http://www.onefourfourone.com/
Rob, no way I could edge Rip out in a conversation. He interviewed me for 4 hours and I got about 6 words in edge wise.
Everyone is always looking for the perfect method, the squat is no different. The WSB method of sitting back with a vertical to negative shin angle puts all the stress on the glute, hams and hips. An oly style deep squat with a positive shin angle puts a ton of work on the quads, knees and hams. Taking the knees thru full ROM is great for strength. How should you squat?
Both.
As long as you are putting a heavy bar on your back you are miles ahead.
And Raphael Ruiz from http://www.1441tfr.com is the master…sho nuff. Check him out. He co-teaches the CF Football seminars as a favor to me when I can drag him away from working with pro athletes, olympic athletes and military.
John,
Wondering if you could share some of the tweaks you did with the Westside crew about diet. As a Superheavyweight raw/single ply powerlifter, I want to stay heavy but be healthier without losing some of the bulk and levers that I use for the lifts.
Can someone give me a pointer to the chart that’s mentioned around 37:55?
I found it
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/prilepins_chart.htm
Lost me on this one,
Sorry Becky! Just trying to mix things up a bit to keep it interesting.
50:25 – a must listen to – great piece
A-MAZ-ING. I’m so guilty of “cherry picking” programs, as John puts it. As a former trainer myself, I was always telling clients to pick a goal and stick with it until they reached it. Unfortunately, I often don’t do that myself out of boredom. For some reason John’s slap on the wrist starting at time code 50:20 REALLY hit home for some reason. So this week I start a rigid 3 month program to go from a tank-like 5’4 – 148lbs to a strong, ripped 135lbs.
You guys rock the proverbial sox, I couldn’t live with out the website and podcast. Get that knee better J-dub!
PP.
Great episode. I especially agree with the John’s point that knowledge transfer happens best when one actually takes the trouble to travel and learn from the expert / master / guru in person. In Chinese kung-fu, there’s a saying that the art is passed “from heart to heart”. We live in more technocratic times, but I still hold this to be true.
Speaking of which, it was hard to hear the name of the person that Ido Portal traveled to learn from. John mentioned him briefly in the interview to illustrate his point. Can anyone tell me who that is?
Cheers, James
Hey guys – great pod-cast. John had spoken briefly about the Russian Athlete Villages (when he spoke with Romanov)and it piqued my interest. I poked around on Google but could not find much. Is there any more info you could pass on or any books that you know of? Thanks
Wow, really enjoyed this podcast. I agree that the community you find in a gym is the best way to work out and make significant progress. My problem? I live in a small town, 30 miles away from the nearest gym, and there is NO guarantee that the closest gym is the BEST gym.
I will keep looking.
Work out twice a day? That seems a bit overboard, no?
Henry