I’m about a year late to the party, but one thing about the whole “losing water weight” thing for me is the context. “Losing” water weight makes it seem like you were previously in a natural state, when in reality you are almost assuredly “correcting an imbalance” brought on by elevated levels of insulin. You’re shedding the unnatural excess that was caused or exacerbated by a certain way of eating and/or lifestyle.

You can use the same statement in the previous sentence for “weight loss” in the context of someone who is morbidly obese. They’re correcting an issue, and losing the fat is a side-effect.

So, have you been deaffiliated already? They had already taken Crossfit Norcal and Catalyst Athletics out of the list of affiliates on the mainpage, and you and Greg are no longer ‘Affiliates’ in the forum (this hasn’t gone unnoticed on the cathletics forum). However, those morons had forgotten to remove you guys from the list of California affiliates on the Affiliates blog page. I’m a stickler for consistecy so I typed a quick comment (that didn’t get posted but that’s not the point) and they “fixed” this real quick! ))

Oh, and you’re still a CF “Friend” on the mainpage, but who knows how long that will last.

Always glad to help.

I’m an affiliate, and lest my comments be taken completely out of context, I’ll try to be more subtle with my comments than is generally the case…

I appreciate your commonsense approach. I agree that quality is where we should start (just could never reconcile how a Zone Bar was good for anyone). I know just how interesting it can be dealing with HQ. I see nothing in what you have written that is inflammatory.

As an aside, my athletes have seen the best results on low carb paleo over zone. Further, MEBB and hybrids have proven superior to out-of-the-box CF programming at my box.

Kudos for sticking to your guns.
Great work on your new podcast.
I look forward to your book.

Sincerely, Adam Stanecki.

“When the Gym Jones manual, which Mr. Twight foolishly thought that I’d never see, was revealed to be built entirely from CrossFit concepts for which he took ownership, even liberally, eerily, infused with my idiom and syntax, I was enraged but ultimately decided that the market solution would be more fruitful than legal remedies. Markets are fooled but transiently by affronts like this. (Our law firm, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich Rossati which represents Google, Intel, Sun, Palm, Apple, Hewlitt Packard, Knight Ridder and, of course, CrossFit offered that we’d surely exceed Mark’s net worth in pre-trial motions, and that judgment would likely never be recovered, offered nonetheless to subsidize our efforts. Say what you want about lawyers; ours, and their generosity, are vital to this programs existence.)”

I’ve been asked many times to publicly comment on this situation on my blog. I won’t fan the flames over there, but I will say you’ve been a good friend and mentor, and Dallas and I owe you a lot for some of the advice you gave us in September. We are, as always, with you.

Looking forward to attending one of your nutrition seminars – and if you need a subsequent write-up, review or guest post, you just have to ask.

On another note, as we recently discovered we cannot run our nutritional consulting practice under the umbrella of our CrossFit affiliate, can you change the links on your page to our private consulting site? We’re at http://www.whole9life.com now. Thanks.

Oveja Negra t-shirts are coming.
Melissa

If anything it’s doing me a favor by saving me the $29 and the time of having to visit the site.

All and all buddy, you still have a very real and very strong following!

Back to the awesome and motivating content you’ve held us down with for so long!

- Anthony

This just gets better and better.

Straight from D&B (Dun & Bradstreet, the world’s leading source of
commercial information and insight on business) who does company analysis of all major companies both in the US and abroad. For those of you who don’t know, D&B is a company that major companies depend on for financial information for doing business with other companies. Below is a direct quote from D&B (in quotes)

So, the fitness juggernaut Crossfit, Inc “is a private company categorized under Publishers and located in Prescott, AZ. Our records show it was established in 1982 and incorporated in California. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $5,500,000 and employs a staff of approximately 10.” And guess who the President of this private organization is? Yep, Mr. Greg Glassman. Crossfit, Inc owns all rights and trademarks of Crossfit.

I am struggling with the fact that a publishing company has labled itself as a Fitness and Nutrition company. To the points above, not only is our organization dangerously close to lawsuits for allowing affiliates to begin prescribing dietary and nutrition needs for its clients (which is not legal) based on the coaches comments, but to previous points, they continue to push out L1 trainers who do not understand scaling (perhaps they were taught this in the cert, I do not know), as I have seen up close and personal, and are in danger of really hurting people

As an organization, Crossfit, Inc. needs standards which all affiliates are held accountable. So a question to HQ, how can an affiliate of a publishing company be in the business of personal training, fitness and diet? It’s a rhetorical question.

Someone please help me understand this….

Just so I am not accused of just complaining, I welcome anyone from HQ to email me or give me a call. I will be more than happy to offer solutions on how to solve this lack of standardization and will also be more than happy to share my credentials to show I truly am capable of offering this advice

If your (long) comment was worth writing (and, I hope, self-editing) before you hit that “Post Comment” button, then it was worth copying and pasting into a temporary text file on your computer (before you send it) and hanging on to until you know it got through.

Never mind, I just hate it when Glassman is allowed his say and then threads get closed.

I wouldn’t mind mind normally, but it was largely a response to Glassman’s affiliate page comments and took me a little time to compose. It’s just sat on my computer at the moment.

I don’t know the first thing about computers and am not used to posting comments so I’m just wondering why it happened. Have I offended the internet?

was it really necessary to retaliate by saying “bad reading … terrific misread parroting nonsense … assumption … is in fact exactly, perfectly, wrong … backwards.”

i didn’t know anyone could be factually, exactly, and perfectly wrong all at once.

If HQ did that wouldn’t they be really close to the line of franchising ?

“Wow, Louie Simmons. Huge love for his practical knowledge. “This is what works” – oh yeah. I’d love to see more of those exercises and motions because anyone who can figure out efficacy in training by trial and error, and get results like his, is worth paying attention to!

So why is the Nutrition side going in the other direction? Only Dr’s and PhD’s count but tested, practical knowledge is suspect? Come on, the medical community gave us the “Food Pyramid”. But trial and error – and results – gave us Paleo.

JUST like Coach always says, “The science isn’t important – look at the results”. Westside Barbell = results. So does Paleo.

Fix the differences and bury the hatchets boys, the results are more important than the emotions. There are a lot of people who are waiting for reason to prevail.”

Coach’s response
“Benny,

In stating that only MD’s and PhD’s count you’re compounding other light thinkers’ bad reading. That was never stated by anyone, it was a terrific misread of a post of mine where I stated that we were going to run a nutrition cert with PhD’s, and MD’s with clinical experience and a staff with extensive clinical experience to replace the current offering.

The replaced individual responded with the comment that now only PhD’s and MD’s are qualified. You’ve just parroted his nonsense.

Your assumption that we’re moving away from tested clinical knowledge is in fact exactly, perfectly, wrong. You have it entirely backwards.

It would be a mistake to think that having an advanced degree qualified anyone of anything, but it is an improvement to replace a guy claiming to have attended medical school with one who actually did – just as a starting point.

There is no aspect of the nutrition program that is not being improved on. To wit:

1. The staff will have better credentials
2. Have more clinical experience
3. Greater aptitude for science, math, and logic
4. Greater respect for the affiliates and trainers
5. Work with HQ with a collegial spirit
6. Satisfy a growing pressure from the scientific community to improve our nutrition offering.

You ask us to “bury the hatchet”. I needed to replace a trainer openly hostile to HQ with marginal or more accurately NO clinical experience who very publicly called for the elimination of quantifiable methods in nutrition (no weighing and measuring of clients or food). ”

Robb, feel free to take this post down if you feel it’s not too relevant or long or possibly libel (I can’t confirm it’s glassman but I find it hard to believe it’s not).
Also, it was great meeting you at the CFFB cert last weekend, I was the guy with the mustache!

On the blog for today’s WOD Glassman continues to lie about Wolf. I’m sure it’s not fun to have someone lie about you but you can be sure his lies are obvious and he’s only damaging his own reputation.

My own history with CF started in ’04 and I am officially done with it. I’ll continue to read CA, Rut’s page and Robb’s among others but CF, GG and the whole HQ scene is on the shit list.

Thanks for the blog and Podcast, Robb. Keep the faith and fight the good fight.

“Let SuperZone™ Cinnamon Buns spice up your breakfast table with its delicious eddies of fresh cinnamon and delicate sweetness. Whether you like your cinnamon bun “naked,” want to dress it up with fresh fruit, or warm it in the oven or microwave, our Cinnamon Bun is sure to make your mouth water.”

Being associated with this crap and the Progenex crap proves Glassman is nothing but a sellout.

Thought this might interest you…

Reading through The Omega Rx Zone book, Sears talks about where he got his carb:protein ratio from see (Appendix D p252). It was this Journal article (text not available online unfortunately)…

Eaton SB, Konner M.
Paleolithic nutrition. A consideration of its nature and current implications.
N Engl J Med. 1985 Jan 31;312(5):283-9.

So technically, the Zone is trying to be “paleo” without being “paleo”.

I’m particularity enjoying the grand irony in Greg Glassman’s recent conversion to the belief that clinicians and pHd’s represent the pinnacle of academic and practical thought on the subject of nutrition and fitness. For year Greg railed against the perceived (and real) deficits of pHd’s, Dr’s and certified trainers, but now sings their praises. Black is now white, I guess, but only if hypocrisy and self-serving statements are your tools of the trade.

Worse, it makes his statements on morality, free-market workings, and open source organizing even more questionable and self-aggrandizing.

1. My first level 1 cert (BTW, I am pissed that I wasted my money on more than on, other than the fact that I met Robb and some of the other staff that are great people) the message was clear that credentials meant nothing in CrossFit because those in the acedemic world did not understand how things work outside. Why has that changed now?

2. At my second cert, Dave basically introduced Robb as the smartest and most knowledgable person in CrossFit about nutrition among other things…again, what has changed?

3. I see the removal of SME’s or driving them of as the same method used by muscle mags to sell the same topic every couple of months….every so many years you will see the same material under a different author. Well, it seems to me CF is no different. They will bring in a new SME to get us to spend whatever $$$$ amount to re-take another “cert”. Great way to keep the machine running. I have to say a lot of the material produced by CF is great, but the older journals seemed to have more substance….now it is about being a fucking rock star. What new methods are we going to see to re-sell old topics. I like Dave Tate’s material, but really…what is going to impact the average (for that matter, most) client more….quality based nutrition or “Pick the Fucker Up”…many more examples of this just cruz the journals. By no means is this an attack on Tate. He has probably forgotten more than I will ever learn about lifting heavy objects.

4. Many above have expressed this, as well as others on CF forums, etc….the two times I have seen Robb speak about nutrition, a level 1 and the Nutrition cert, he never bashed The Zone and spent a lot of time on it after covering the importance of quality. Weighing and measuring was discussed as the best way to dial everything in. Also, Paleo Brands appeared soon after my Nutrition cert and not once did Robb mention it or try to plug it. What’s wrong with having a good idea and running with it anyway…more power to you Robb.

5. Why is it so difficult for the brainwashed to believe “constantly varied, random approach to fitness” is so great but nutrition requires precise measuring?

It is unfortunate that what is a great thing, CF, and what it has accomplished in spreading for the most part great material has developed so many that are strong in body but weak in mind.

At one point, I was becoming involved with CF on a more visible level. I asked for help from the CFHQ staff only to be continually ignored and when I persisted in seeking direction I was berated by GG. This after spending my own time, energy and money trying to promote CF in a way GG and I had agreed would bring value to the community at large (while having no revenue streams from it). I was told to make myself useful to CF and then I would earn their help. I was upset and hurt because I thought I had done something wrong and offended GG. I moped around for a solid week and made excuses for his behavior toward me. Shortly thereafter I quit my endeavor as my heart just wasn’t in helping CF if they weren’t going to acknowledge me. Now, I am extremely glad I did not waste more time on them.

I can see how someone would not trust what I have to say based on my comments. I have no clue what type of people make up CFHQ, or what to make of GG. If you are new to CF or Robb and don’t know what to make of this situation I feel for you as I’ve been in your shoes. To clarify things for yourself I would offer you this exercise.

What do these respected fitness minds have in common?

1. Robb Wolf
2. Mark Twight
3. Dan John
4. Freddy C.
5. Greg Everett
6. the others…

They have all been asked or chosen to leave CF at one time or another. So, I would ask myself…is the problem all of these people or is the problem CF Inc.?

This time I know who to trust and who I’m going to follow and it’s Robb Wolf.

Robb, stay strong, defend your name for the sake of the confused, and know their are many you’ve never met out here supporting you. Thanks for making a difference and staying true to forging elite fitness.

James and Kevin said all that needs to be said.

Started at CF but I have now moved on, who wants to eat zone bars and bagels anyway…..

Now its Greg, Robb, Ripp etc…. HQ is really unimpressive

You are full of crap. It is much easier to make stuff up when you are a PhD, because then everyone will believe you, because you are a PhD. What in the world is a PhD actually good for? A few things….(note, I am talking about hard science PhDs).

1. Teaching at the Univ level-this actually means never leaving school, never really working, just impressing undergrads (who are too naive to know any better).

2. Continue to do hard science, bench work. If you are really good you will do this in the private sector, patten your work and make a lot of money. The main thing about this is you are so far removed from where the “rubber meets the road” it is not for everyone.

3. Get your PhD, then use it not to conduct science, but to convince people you know what the hell you are talking about because you have PhD after your name. Better yet, launch a line of fish oil tablets, bars, bagels, write 17 books full of nonsense, but sprinkle in just enough hard science words like “eicosanoids” or my favorite “arachidonic acid”. Then, you can remind people, they really do not need to know about these things, just listen to you because you do have a PhD.

Tony Budding used a term awhile ago I love. It was “curriculum-validate”. I understood it to mean, my CV validates what I am saying, even though it may sound like horse crap to anyone who actually understands it. I guess now CFHQ is curriculum validating its staff. Hey, where did the director of training get his PhD in exercise physiology?

I write today after seeing the latest hot spot for discussion on the affiliate blog shut down, where Lisabeth directs any further comments to certain threads on the affiliate message board. Sadly that leaves a significant portion of the population, and some might argue the portion that benefits most from the community’s SMEs, out of the loop on the continuing discussion. My request to you is to continue doing what you have been doing by providing updates with any relevant information that may come to light throughout any pertaining discussion on the affiliate message board. After all, I would hate to miss out on any more foolish claims or comments made by Glassman…

Thank you,
AJ

I think you need to go back to HQ, pull a Jerry McGuire, steal a fish and yell “who’s coming with me?”.

Now go back to your Harry Potter nutritional based science while I add some Mayo and Whey protein to make my Guinness Zone friendly.

MOD

Are you working towards a PhD?

It’s easy to make shit up and not have to answer to learned colleagues, IRB committees, peer review, etc…

You should redirect your adolescent ADHD towards getting a real education.

Once you do, nobody can take it away. Not Coach or Castro. You will be valuable to all of society, not just crossfit paleo wankers.

With respect,

Gino

They already went from Robb to Barry Sears. Are they going to switch from Kelly to Richard Simmons or Jane Fonda?

Have Kelly come up and just do a workshop – who says it’s a CF mobility cert?

It all began with these links from my wife. Who the hell is Robb Wolf and why is she always on his page? Heh. Now 99% of what I believe about nutrition comes from Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson.

Prior to that, I had some experience with weighed and measured crap. I’ve lived a few days on egg whites and ice cream in perfect Zone proportions. I lost some fat, but I felt like CRAP. The catalyst for that experiment was Nicole’s video saying she had a client who did better on weighed and measured beer and steak!

The challenge is my WAM’d egg whites and ice cream were actually better than the crap I was eating before. Better IS better. But better isn’t necessarily good. I would show marked improvement on the SAD diet if my previous diet was comprised entirely of waffle fries and hemlock shakes. So should we embrace the SAD diet? Uh…I’ll venture a big NO!

Hang strong with the crap being thrown your way. Consider this from Timothy Ferris’ website. It’s not a quote from Ferris, but it’s unclear who to attribute it to. It was in a blog post titled “The Benefits of Pissing People Off”

“…if you are really effective at what you do, 95% of the things said about you will be negative. Keep your head on straight, don’t get emotional, take the heat, and just make sure your clients are smiling.”

Wow, does that not strike a chord for you right now? Keep up the good work.

I have no problem with using science to justify things, but when people use science on a skewed view – I take serious issue and declare BS!

Thanks for keepin’ it real!

What an epic bunch of pussies. They edited out all of the intelligently contradictory posts then locked the thread.

Glassman, I know you’re reading this, so I have something to say to you; You are a coward… plain and simple. I’ve known that for a long time, but now it’s out there for everyone to see. Come out from behind you protective wall and debate your statements in an open, public forum.

Zach Davis

What I found particularly telling was that all of a sudden he’s appealing to science, when previously, with everything, he preferred anecdotal evidence. His insistance that Barry Sears is a clinician actually made me laugh out loud. While I don’t think Sears and the Zone is a joke, it’s simply one path to get to the same place, and it’s a path that’s wildly inappropriate for the types of body dysmorphia and dietary obsession many mainstream Crossfitters are unfortunately afflicted with.

The apologists for his and the HQ kids behaviors need to grow up and understand that this is the business of fitness and self-improvement, and as a business, professional conduct is not just recommended, but required.

You and Nicki will be better off without all of this nonsense in your life (as would any educated, thoughtful coach). I wish you guys the best in the future.

————

“Robb,
The difficult thing about sputtering infantile rage as a business tactic is that it serves no winnable strategy. You are still confused by the logic of quality and quantity in clinical nutrition, their remarkable interdependence, and our track record on the subject. Your claim that people have gotten results abandoning the starting proportionality makes my point (reread the parts about accuracy and precision and you’ll see that manipulating, massaging, or drifting (or “abandoning”) the starting proportionality is essential to clinical nutrition and dialing in a diet. We differ in that your public claim is that weighing and measuring do not work and are not useful. That you think you can do without weighing or measuring food and clients is proof to me that your claims about your education and being a scientist both need examination. BTW, I’ve seen your CV and so have a lot of other people.”

The problem here, Greg, is that this isn’t an accurate reflection of Robb’s position at all, and it’s a bit rich to snipe about “bad reading” on Robb’s part only to twist 5 years’ worth of Robb’s forum posts, nutrition certs, Journal articles and blog entries so badly.

This isn’t the message that Robb promotes at all. He disagrees with Sears’ (frankly ridiculous) assertions that exact portion control is more important than food quality, preferring instead to eat real food over ding dongs and McDonalds burgers. You know, kind of like the first part of the nutritional portion of “World Class Fitness in 100 Words” that you wrote way back when, which is: “Eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and no sugar.”

That doesn’t mean he says portion control is unimportant. It doesn’t mean that Robb is telling people never to think about portions, or never to WAM. It’s simply a difference in priorities, and his view of “quality first, quantity second” seems to be shared by a LOT of people and backed up by a LOT of real world data. But Robb also talks and writes about the Zone, portion control and balancing macronutrients a lot; the difference is that he isn’t tied into pushing a fixed macronutrient ratio because he hasn’t got a dozen books to sell based on a single premise. So he can discuss the Zone and the Athletes Zone, but also modifications to it (e.g. the “42 Ways…” article, deleting carb blocks etc.), Intermittent Fasting, VLC diets, unweighed Paleo, Paleo + dairy and more. His typical recommendation is to get lean by controlling intake and to use performance and how you feel as feedback; you know, kind of like the second part of the nutritional portion in 100 words, which is: “Keep intake to levels that will support exercise but not body fat.”

And if you care to look, you’ll never see a rabid adherence to any of these approaches; you’ll see informed discussion of their benefits, drawbacks and potential uses, along with the regular advice to “try it for a while and see how you look, feel and perform”. Robb isn’t trying to ram anything down anyone’s throat, he presents options and asks people to work out what’s best for themselves (ironically, exactly the message in Dave Castro’s journal video a few days ago). The examples he cites of athletes moving from strict Zone to unweighed Paleo and seeing improvements are just that – real-world examples. Again, this is a far cry from telling people it “does not work and is not useful”.

It’s a real shame to see this level of obfuscation and misinformation. Your condescending tone towards Robb is also unnecessary and childish. Sadly, you’ve taken a situation that was already badly handled and bodged it a little bit more. And I’ll brush over the irony of you calling out Robb on his “claims” to have gone to medical school when you have enough unsubstantiated claims of your own to deal with (where ARE all the CF-built 500-750lbs deadlifters by the way?)

Secondly, during the 8+ hours of Robb’s cert in Toronto, half of the day was devoted to the “zone” (unfortunately) and he mentioned over and over how this tool can be used to dial in and see where your at or if a client/yourself aren’t seeing desirable results, it would be something to use. Robb’s notes clearly state: “Accuracy and precision are critical for knowing what to do next.”

He also covered the insulin/aldosterone/sodium issue. Was the cert totally geeked out on science? NO! We had people in there that don’t even know what a fucking hormone was. That being said everything Robb stated was BASED on science which is easily proven when going through the material and doing a bit of research. Robb did a EXCELLENT job laying this stuff out in a way that people can actually take something away from, without being utterly confused and going home wondering WTF just happend? I am confident in saying I speak for many when I say I could listen to Robb talk all day about this stuff…but I have yet to make it through a full FREE lecture by Sears because: I practically fall asleep, tired of hearing him talk as if making a financial pitch, and the fact the guy completely misses the boat on PWO nutrition (fucking essential if you want to even take a sniff at the games or any top notch athletic achievement).

W/M ding dongs won’t do anything for your: Type 1 Diabetes, MS, Arthritis, Leaky gut, Infertility & osteoporosis like a gluten-free/dairy-free paleo diet will & has cured!

Yeah Robb definitely should have told this Mom to get her daughter a “zone” prescription and weigh and measure whatever she wanted, because i’m sure if she ENTERED THE ZONE her body would have stop making anti-bodies to the gluten she had weighed out, which were fucking killing her. http://robbwolf.com/?p=837

Is the “zone” useful? Sure. But why make the hassle to W/M when you can see amazing results by just eating real food, and using PWO nutrition effectively? Sorry but a balanced “zone” meal PWO is NOT the best prescription for everyone. Which games competitors strictly W/M? Lets see HQ’s data on athletes using a zone diet vs Robb’s data on people strictly following paleo. Do we have any data of people curing auto-immune disease by weighting/measuring shit food?

It is weird how all this pseudo science bashing is pointing towards the same work Sears uses to base his diet around (Boyd Eaton’s work).

Robb,

Get you fucking book done, I want to read all that pseudo science shit! How many pseudo science references do we have in it? I bet there are tons!

The mainstream will not notice or care, and CF will continue to grow (more affiliate/seminar $$) since getting untrained people into a CF gym even if they have horrible programming is still going to produce some results (not to mention the hype).

Josh Bunch
“I close with a disheartening feel over how the loyalty of some are no greater than the next bandwagon that arrives at their doorstep. Coach Glassman deserves a monumental amount of respect for what he has created and offered, and given so unconditionally. For those so willing to criticize…what exactly have you done with your lives, and how many strangers have you helped?”

This theme seems to come up in any debate over the Black Box incident or other issues people bring up with Glassman or HQ. Rather than rationally discuss the behaviour issues, people start saying no one has a right to question Coach Glassman and everyone should be praising him for his contributions. WTF is this garbage? It’s like defending a cult leader.

CrossFit as a movement has helped countless people become more active and obtain better health and performance, Glassman should be praised for that. But the moment you try to rationalize behaviour like the BBS like this, you have some real problems.

btw – has anyone noticed Freddy Camacho’s update on his site?

http://crossfitoneworld.typepad.com/crossfit_one_world/2009/12/the-good-news-and-the-bad-news.html

Now he is getting slighted.

I stepped away from Crossfit a few months back, due to financial reasons. Decided to set up the garage gym and hit Rips SS since the one thing I found doing Crossfit was that I was weak and lacked the base layer of strength.

Now trying to do an unweighed and unmeasured paleo + GOMAD. So far the lbs are packing on but the linear progression is still happening, once I hit my goals and am ready to head back to Crossfit I hope all of this is sorted out.

If not at least I know where the real SME’s are now.

p.s. love the podcast keep it coming.

Anyone who thinks Coach has credibility can go to ZoneDiet.com and buy some zone bagels. You can buy 5 for $12.00. What a great deal! The SuperZone™ Cinnamon Buns are the same price.

Keep the faith brother, your generosity with your knowledge has certainly led to faster, stronger, more effective Airmen in our Air Force.
Hooyah,
Mike

“Mr. Glassman,

You say the following:

“It’s just that instead of using a guy who “claims” to have gone to medical school and claims to have dropped out we’ve got guys who went, finished, and can prove it.”

That is tantamount to the person who “invents” Crossfit and “claims” to be the original crossfitter, who “claims” to be a world class gymnast but yet there is not one iota of evidence of you doing gymnastics or doing a Crossfit workout. This site is full of photos and videos but yet does not possess one of you doing anything that would be quantified as a physical pursuit.

I’ll grant that you are a good coach and a good motivator of people – but to claim as you did 3 years ago on your own site “I was the original CrossFitter and I can, at 49, still outperform more CrossFitters than not.” without one ounce of evidence – where were you in the 07 games?

Becareful when throwing stones in a GLASS house.”

Robb – keep strong, deeds speak.

and sue for any copyright infringement.