Comments on: Fish oil and the real cost of health http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/ The Paleo Solution book and podcast | Paleo diet, Paleolithic nutrition, intermittent fasting, and fitness Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:24:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Subanoff http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-23400 Subanoff Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:30:47 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-23400 Was so thrilled about this post on fish oil. As a child, I was always taught that fish is good for the body. Even my vet says so. Am feeding my dogs with fish instead of meat and they all look great and strong. Am also subscribing to another <a href="http://www.lisashanken.com" rel="nofollow">nutrition counselor</a> and sharing with you her URL. More power to you Robb! Was so thrilled about this post on fish oil. As a child, I was always taught that fish is good for the body. Even my vet says so. Am feeding my dogs with fish instead of meat and they all look great and strong. Am also subscribing to another nutrition counselor and sharing with you her URL. More power to you Robb!

]]> By: julianne http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3363 julianne Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:00:01 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3363 Chris - most fish oil manufacturers should have printouts of batch tests of their product, EPAX or IFOS have guidelines as to what good purity and oxidation levels should be. http://www.epax.com/filestore/EPAXPuritystatement4.pdf Ask them for their tests and see how they stack up. Chris – most fish oil manufacturers should have printouts of batch tests of their product, EPAX or IFOS have guidelines as to what good purity and oxidation levels should be.
http://www.epax.com/filestore/EPAXPuritystatement4.pdf
Ask them for their tests and see how they stack up.

]]> By: Robb Wolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3362 Robb Wolf Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:04:00 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3362 Chris- No idea amigo. Chris-
No idea amigo.

]]> By: Chris http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3361 Chris Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:10:07 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3361 Rob I was curious if you know of any literature or website that could provide a list of "safe" fish oil manufacturers? Up here in Canada I have been unable to find the Kirkland brand but I have stumbled upon WildOmega3 by New Roots Herbal (660epa, 330 dha per cap) however they are not listed on the international fish oil standards webpage as being tested. http://www.newrootsherbal.com/product/view/id/1280 (wfs) Thanks Chris Rob I was curious if you know of any literature or website that could provide a list of “safe” fish oil manufacturers?

Up here in Canada I have been unable to find the Kirkland brand but I have stumbled upon WildOmega3 by New Roots Herbal (660epa, 330 dha per cap) however they are not listed on the international fish oil standards webpage as being tested.

http://www.newrootsherbal.com/product/view/id/1280 (wfs)

Thanks
Chris

]]> By: Robb Wolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3360 Robb Wolf Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:23:30 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3360 Bryan- Really? That is really unfortunate. Thatks for that, I know this was an old post. Bryan-
Really? That is really unfortunate. Thatks for that, I know this was an old post.

]]> By: Bryan http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3359 Bryan Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:09:35 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3359 Here in Canada, veterinary hospitals have run into massive trouble with the law for sneaking people into their MRI machines. People who would otherwise be forced to wait for months in the socialized health care system. Here in Canada, veterinary hospitals have run into massive trouble with the law for sneaking people into their MRI machines.

People who would otherwise be forced to wait for months in the socialized health care system.

]]> By: Hunter http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3358 Hunter Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:53:54 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3358 Ok, I thought so. Thanks for the confirmation. Love the podcast, the time you invest into your users is great. Keep up the good work! Ok, I thought so.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Love the podcast, the time you invest into your users is great.

Keep up the good work!

]]> By: Robb Wolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3357 Robb Wolf Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:54:24 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3357 Hunter- OK! I remember now. He is "out to lunch". That;s about as nice as I can put it. Hunter-
OK! I remember now. He is “out to lunch”. That;s about as nice as I can put it.

]]> By: Hunter http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3356 Hunter Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:48:44 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3356 He argues that fishoil supplementation can - leads to reduced immune function - can cause brain damage - is useless in preventing or treating arterial inflammation - worsens glycemic tolerance - decreased insulin response many of the studies he cite seem questionable at best, but I would be interested in your opinion. Here's his videos on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By8icw-ua8g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7SYlEuRnVg&feature=related Here's a related "study" I found on his website: http://www.brianpeskin.com/BP.com/studies-experiments/PEO-vs-FishOil.pdf He argues that fishoil supplementation can
- leads to reduced immune function
- can cause brain damage
- is useless in preventing or treating arterial inflammation
- worsens glycemic tolerance
- decreased insulin response

many of the studies he cite seem questionable at best, but I would be interested in your opinion.

Here’s his videos on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By8icw-ua8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7SYlEuRnVg&feature=related

Here’s a related “study” I found on his website:
http://www.brianpeskin.com/BP.com/studies-experiments/PEO-vs-FishOil.pdf

]]> By: Robb Wolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3355 Robb Wolf Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:29:16 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3355 Hunter- Link? What was that about? Hunter-
Link? What was that about?

]]> By: Hunter http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3354 Hunter Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:59:38 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3354 Hey Robb, I'm new to the podcast, and I'm just wondering if you ever followed up on the youtube videos slamming fish oils a few comments up. Hey Robb, I’m new to the podcast, and I’m just wondering if you ever followed up on the youtube videos slamming fish oils a few comments up.

]]> By: Robb Wolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3353 Robb Wolf Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:11:27 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3353 Well TERM...You make tax breaks for donating to non-profit medical clinics that operate on a free or sliding scale program. MUCH more efficient than a governmental program. Well TERM…You make tax breaks for donating to non-profit medical clinics that operate on a free or sliding scale program. MUCH more efficient than a governmental program.

]]> By: Term Paper http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3352 Term Paper Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:56:58 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3352 Veternary medicine. it reflects the REAL costs of treatment, people pay as they go, even in installments and there is not a sense that one should get treatment for free. What about the poor? Veternary medicine. it reflects the REAL costs of treatment, people pay as they go, even in installments and there is not a sense that one should get treatment for free. What about the poor?

]]> By: Robb Wolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3351 Robb Wolf Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:48:39 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3351 Jay- It's very interesting...I think it;s legit but needs some more exploration. we will hit it in a podcast. Jay-
It’s very interesting…I think it;s legit but needs some more exploration. we will hit it in a podcast.

]]> By: Jay http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3350 Jay Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:53:55 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3350 OPT put these on his site today. Scary for those of us who take gobs of fish oil a day. What's your take Robb? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By8icw-ua8g (wfs) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7SYlEuRnVg&feature=related (wfs) OPT put these on his site today. Scary for those of us who take gobs of fish oil a day. What’s your take Robb?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By8icw-ua8g (wfs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7SYlEuRnVg&feature=related (wfs)

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3349 Jennifer Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:32:06 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3349 Some Nordic Naturals fish oil products DO have soy in them. It's in the Vitamin E that is part of the capsule. The ProDHA is the product I'm looking at right now. Some Nordic Naturals fish oil products DO have soy in them. It’s in the Vitamin E that is part of the capsule.

The ProDHA is the product I’m looking at right now.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3348 robbwolf Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:23:28 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3348 Richard- You will not have the same problems from the soy in the fish oil. The chicken issue just needs to be addressed by taking fish oil to balance the n-3/n-6. You are good to go! Richard-
You will not have the same problems from the soy in the fish oil. The chicken issue just needs to be addressed by taking fish oil to balance the n-3/n-6. You are good to go!

]]> By: Richard http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3347 Richard Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:10:42 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3347 Robb, Thank you for the non-soy suggestions. What I was actually trying to ask, albeit unsuccesfully, was is the soy contained in fish oil going to cause the same GI tract problems that are found when ceral grains and legumes are consumed? Also, the same question applies for animals that are fed soy? I can barely find anything that is actually fed some semblance of what it might eat in the wild. The chicken at the whole foods is 70% corn and 30% soy. Birds are omnivores for the most part, right? But health food chicken always touts a vegetarian diet. Then they feed them soy. Apologies for the rant. It was not too long ago that my meal planning consisted of picking a number from one to ten. Trying to eat healthy can get frustrating. Thanks again for all of you help. Robb,
Thank you for the non-soy suggestions. What I was actually trying to ask, albeit unsuccesfully, was is the soy contained in fish oil going to cause the same GI tract problems that are found when ceral grains and legumes are consumed? Also, the same question applies for animals that are fed soy? I can barely find anything that is actually fed some semblance of what it might eat in the wild. The chicken at the whole foods is 70% corn and 30% soy. Birds are omnivores for the most part, right? But health food chicken always touts a vegetarian diet. Then they feed them soy. Apologies for the rant. It was not too long ago that my meal planning consisted of picking a number from one to ten. Trying to eat healthy can get frustrating. Thanks again for all of you help.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3346 robbwolf Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:44:20 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3346 Darren- 13 caps. I really nee to get this in the FAQ!!! Darren-
13 caps. I really nee to get this in the FAQ!!!

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3345 robbwolf Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:43:33 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3345 Richard- It;s damn near impossible to find a Vit e that is not soy derived...I think Carlson does some. This is just a MINOR tradeoff to keep your fish oil from going rancid. That would be far more concerning than the tiny bit of soy in the Kirkland brand. Now, if that is really a concern for you, grab nordic naturals or another brand that is soy free. I recommend the kirkland because it is generally inexpensive, solid quality and broadly available. There are certainly higher quality brands out there...its just up to you to determine your needs. Richard-
It;s damn near impossible to find a Vit e that is not soy derived…I think Carlson does some. This is just a MINOR tradeoff to keep your fish oil from going rancid. That would be far more concerning than the tiny bit of soy in the Kirkland brand. Now, if that is really a concern for you, grab nordic naturals or another brand that is soy free. I recommend the kirkland because it is generally inexpensive, solid quality and broadly available. There are certainly higher quality brands out there…its just up to you to determine your needs.

]]> By: Richard http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3344 Richard Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:30:18 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3344 Robb you recommend Kirtland brand fish oil, however, I believe that fish oil contains soy. From my understanding most all fish oils contain soy for Vitamin E in the form of tocopherol. I recently attended one of your certs and I learned a lot. You expressed how crucial it was to avoid cereal grains and legumes because of the lectins they contain. I'm assuming that the soy that is contained in fish oils is safe to consume because you use and recommend it. I was just wondering why that is. Robb you recommend Kirtland brand fish oil, however, I believe that fish oil contains soy. From my understanding most all fish oils contain soy for Vitamin E in the form of tocopherol. I recently attended one of your certs and I learned a lot. You expressed how crucial it was to avoid cereal grains and legumes because of the lectins they contain. I’m assuming that the soy that is contained in fish oils is safe to consume because you use and recommend it. I was just wondering why that is.

]]> By: Darren http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3343 Darren Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:27:07 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3343 I'm trying to figure out dosage for me based on the brand I purchased. I weigh around 200 lbs. So if I follow the math I should be taking in 10g/day. The ingredient list has the following per 1 cap. Super Fish Oil Blend (anchovy, sardine and/or salmon) = 1150 mg EPA = 360 mg DHA = 360 mg Do I add the 3 together (1150+360+360=1870 mg or 1.87g) than divide 10g by 1.87 = 5.3 caps? or Do I just add the EPA & DHA (360+360=720 mg or .72g) than divide 10g by .72 = 13.8 caps? Thanks I’m trying to figure out dosage for me based on the brand I purchased. I weigh around 200 lbs. So if I follow the math I should be taking in 10g/day. The ingredient list has the following per 1 cap.

Super Fish Oil Blend (anchovy, sardine and/or salmon) = 1150 mg
EPA = 360 mg
DHA = 360 mg

Do I add the 3 together (1150+360+360=1870 mg or 1.87g) than divide 10g by 1.87 = 5.3 caps?

or

Do I just add the EPA & DHA (360+360=720 mg or .72g) than divide 10g by .72 = 13.8 caps?

Thanks

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3342 robbwolf Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:35:59 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3342 Kassidy- Take the fracking bull by the horns and pony-up the $132/YEAR to buy some of your own fish oil. Not trying to be a dick but the concept of Lovaza horrifies me. Search my blog for a previous post on this. Kassidy-
Take the fracking bull by the horns and pony-up the $132/YEAR to buy some of your own fish oil. Not trying to be a dick but the concept of Lovaza horrifies me. Search my blog for a previous post on this.

]]> By: Kassidy http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3341 Kassidy Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:02:42 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3341 Anyone had any luck finding research to back up the .5g-1g of combined EPA/DHA for every 10lbs of body weight? My doctor says he's willing to prescribe a higher dose of lovaza for me if I can bring in research backing up the higher dose. So far the only thing I've found relates to treating ADHD in children (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79071.php) I'm trying to find something that shows the benefits of a high dose of fish oil for joint issues like osteoarthritis. Anyone had any luck finding research to back up the .5g-1g of combined EPA/DHA for every 10lbs of body weight? My doctor says he’s willing to prescribe a higher dose of lovaza for me if I can bring in research backing up the higher dose. So far the only thing I’ve found relates to treating ADHD in children (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79071.php)

I’m trying to find something that shows the benefits of a high dose of fish oil for joint issues like osteoarthritis.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3340 robbwolf Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:08:25 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3340 Jami- that is preposterous. If you want to shoot the article link to me I'll take that thing apart. Jami-
that is preposterous. If you want to shoot the article link to me I’ll take that thing apart.

]]> By: jami http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3339 jami Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:41:12 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3339 I read an article about fish oil is not good for children, can you give your opinion on that. thank you. I read an article about fish oil is not good for children, can you give your opinion on that. thank you.

]]> By: Something Fishy | CrossFit Intrepid http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3338 Something Fishy | CrossFit Intrepid Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:06:36 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3338 [...] community has decided to cash in on this and released a new “drug” called Lovaza. As Robb Wolf points out, it is nothing more than a prescription fish [...] [...] community has decided to cash in on this and released a new “drug” called Lovaza. As Robb Wolf points out, it is nothing more than a prescription fish [...]

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3337 robbwolf Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:46:04 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3337 shannon- just track the total amount of EPA/DHA...if you are supposed to take 10g/day that is total epa/dha! shannon-
just track the total amount of EPA/DHA…if you are supposed to take 10g/day that is total epa/dha!

]]> By: Shannon Franklin http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3336 Shannon Franklin Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:22:37 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3336 Hey Robb, I attended your cert recently, but I didn't take detailed enough notes about the fish oil you recommend. I know the amounts to take, but I didn't get the data regarding EPA versus DHA, what to look for, how much of each of these one should look for, etc. Can you help? Hey Robb,

I attended your cert recently, but I didn’t take detailed enough notes about the fish oil you recommend.

I know the amounts to take, but I didn’t get the data regarding EPA versus DHA, what to look for, how much of each of these one should look for, etc.

Can you help?

]]> By: CrossFit South Bay » Something Fishy http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3335 CrossFit South Bay » Something Fishy Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:24:17 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3335 [...] community has decided to cash in on this and released a new “drug” called Lovaza. As Robb Wolf points out, it is nothing more than a prescription fish [...] [...] community has decided to cash in on this and released a new “drug” called Lovaza. As Robb Wolf points out, it is nothing more than a prescription fish [...]

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3334 robbwolf Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:29:28 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3334 Sage- Offhand, No. But look in the Omega RX Zone. Sears recommends high dose fish oil and appears to reference the material. The notion you can only absorb a small amount of fat however is...well I'll be nice and just say that it's silly! Sage-
Offhand, No. But look in the Omega RX Zone. Sears recommends high dose fish oil and appears to reference the material. The notion you can only absorb a small amount of fat however is…well I’ll be nice and just say that it’s silly!

]]> By: Sage http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3333 Sage Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:53:57 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3333 Robb, Do you have any links to papers in the literature that detail the efficacy of daily high dose fish oil (in the 0.5g/10lb range)? I would like to share it with those who argue that you can only efficiently utilize a moderate dose every other day. Thanks! Robb,

Do you have any links to papers in the literature that detail the efficacy of daily high dose fish oil (in the 0.5g/10lb range)?

I would like to share it with those who argue that you can only efficiently utilize a moderate dose every other day. Thanks!

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3332 robbwolf Fri, 08 May 2009 22:03:49 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3332 Nick!!! Do not count the fish oil in your fat blocks!! Nick!!!
Do not count the fish oil in your fat blocks!!

]]> By: ChicagoNick http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3331 ChicagoNick Fri, 08 May 2009 18:30:59 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3331 Robb, I take the Costco brand as you recommend...should I replace any fat blocks with the fish oil? If so, how many capsules per block? Thanks sir. Robb,

I take the Costco brand as you recommend…should I replace any fat blocks with the fish oil? If so, how many capsules per block? Thanks sir.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3330 robbwolf Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:20:00 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3330 50/50 in general. 50/50 in general.

]]> By: Tim http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3329 Tim Sun, 05 Apr 2009 08:55:58 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3329 What ratio of EPA/DHA do you suggest per day? What ratio of EPA/DHA do you suggest per day?

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3328 robbwolf Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:28:37 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3328 Jeremy- No clue on that...I'd just run with what works best for you. Jeremy-
No clue on that…I’d just run with what works best for you.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3327 Jeremy Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:23:01 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3327 Robb, Since i started taking the Costco fish oil (which does have soy in the ingredients), i've felt very cloudy-headed (more than the normal level of retardation the wife accuses me of). Any thoughts of connection here? I had been using GNC or Vitaminne Shoppe house brands before. Thinking of just sinking the money into Carlsons if this continues Robb,
Since i started taking the Costco fish oil (which does have soy in the ingredients), i’ve felt very cloudy-headed (more than the normal level of retardation the wife accuses me of). Any thoughts of connection here? I had been using GNC or Vitaminne Shoppe house brands before. Thinking of just sinking the money into Carlsons if this continues

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3326 robbwolf Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:13:32 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3326 Brad- Your dog and your wife are VERY tolerant! Brad-
Your dog and your wife are VERY tolerant!

]]> By: Juniper http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3325 Juniper Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:00:59 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3325 BEAUTIFUL free-market reference. I adore your economic perspective and fitness perspective. I'm an econ major in Montana who also enjoys lifting heavy things just because I can, at my CF gym. One thing I would add, which somewhat applies to the healthcare discussion, is the fact that people in the US subsidize medicinal advancements for the rest of the world. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, we are pretty much the richest country in the world, and I don't think that what were doing is remotely socialist (something I would abhor). What we pay for new drugs is drastically higher than what they sell for in other, poorer, countries. Only because we pay so much do the companies have the incentive to go through hugely expensive research and development processes, thus supplying the world with new and better drugs. I know this isn't the same as our ridiculous health insurance system, but it may help people understand why name-brand medicine prices are so high. If they weren't, we would not have many of the innovative medicines we have today, working to help people with all kinds of ailments, from AIDS to pink-eye. It's not price-gouging, it's basic economic theory. BEAUTIFUL free-market reference. I adore your economic perspective and fitness perspective. I’m an econ major in Montana who also enjoys lifting heavy things just because I can, at my CF gym.

One thing I would add, which somewhat applies to the healthcare discussion, is the fact that people in the US subsidize medicinal advancements for the rest of the world. I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing, we are pretty much the richest country in the world, and I don’t think that what were doing is remotely socialist (something I would abhor). What we pay for new drugs is drastically higher than what they sell for in other, poorer, countries. Only because we pay so much do the companies have the incentive to go through hugely expensive research and development processes, thus supplying the world with new and better drugs. I know this isn’t the same as our ridiculous health insurance system, but it may help people understand why name-brand medicine prices are so high. If they weren’t, we would not have many of the innovative medicines we have today, working to help people with all kinds of ailments, from AIDS to pink-eye. It’s not price-gouging, it’s basic economic theory.

]]> By: Brad http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3324 Brad Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:14:24 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3324 I eat sardines for breakfast, 5 days a week. My dog enjoys a big sloppy kiss from me before I head to work. Often, a nice nightcap will contain a shot of vodka, 1/4 of a sardine, preferably the head, and a dash of spicy pepper sauce. I rock. Brad I eat sardines for breakfast, 5 days a week. My dog enjoys a big sloppy kiss from me before I head to work.

Often, a nice nightcap will contain a shot of vodka, 1/4 of a sardine, preferably the head, and a dash of spicy pepper sauce.

I rock.

Brad

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3323 robbwolf Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:47:18 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3323 Ahh! There may be an absorption benefit but I've forgotten all about it! Ahh! There may be an absorption benefit but I’ve forgotten all about it!

]]> By: Pam Maltzman http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3322 Pam Maltzman Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:35:23 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3322 Robb, thanks for your comments re fish oil (including the one to me). I have also used Solgar's salmon oil (low amounts of EPA and DHA, though). Right now I have a bottle of Trader Joe's fish oil capsules. I did use Dr. Sears's fish oil capsules in the past, and when my cash flow improves, might go back to it. In the meantime, April and September are big sale months for Vitamin Shoppe's house brand of supplements. Basically, if you pay regular price for the first bottle of their brand of anything (e.g., B vitamin complex), the second bottle (same size) is half-price. Good chance to save some $$. I've found much of their stuff acceptable, and their house brand definitely costs less. Their oil-based supplements, however, seem to contain soybean oil in them, so if you're worried, it's something to watch out for. Robb, thanks for your comments re fish oil (including the one to me).

I have also used Solgar’s salmon oil (low amounts of EPA and DHA, though). Right now I have a bottle of Trader Joe’s fish oil capsules.

I did use Dr. Sears’s fish oil capsules in the past, and when my cash flow improves, might go back to it.

In the meantime, April and September are big sale months for Vitamin Shoppe’s house brand of supplements. Basically, if you pay regular price for the first bottle of their brand of anything (e.g., B vitamin complex), the second bottle (same size) is half-price. Good chance to save some $$.

I’ve found much of their stuff acceptable, and their house brand definitely costs less. Their oil-based supplements, however, seem to contain soybean oil in them, so if you’re worried, it’s something to watch out for.

]]> By: Daz http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3321 Daz Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:44:07 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3321 cheers Robb, from memory i thought there was some kind of absorbtion/beneficial effect with the 2:1 ratio. obviously not a big deal. cheers Robb, from memory i thought there was some kind of absorbtion/beneficial effect with the 2:1 ratio. obviously not a big deal.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3320 robbwolf Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:12:38 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3320 Daz! He wants that higher EPA for antiinflamatory action. Some of the kid formulas are heavy the opposite direction. Daz! He wants that higher EPA for antiinflamatory action. Some of the kid formulas are heavy the opposite direction.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3319 robbwolf Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:26:22 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3319 Jay- Still not sure on ther ethyl ester absorbability...maybe Matt can chaeck on that if he sees this. Jay-
Still not sure on ther ethyl ester absorbability…maybe Matt can chaeck on that if he sees this.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3318 robbwolf Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:24:11 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3318 Joe- True enough. For me auto insurance is I guess "marketesque" in that we can go out and really price shop and these companies compete against one another. AND if one lacks insurance you are the responsible party. Joe-
True enough. For me auto insurance is I guess “marketesque” in that we can go out and really price shop and these companies compete against one another. AND if one lacks insurance you are the responsible party.

]]> By: Daz http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3317 Daz Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:00:56 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3317 ok last question, i promise. So what about Dr S's argument of a 2:1 ratio being important? ok last question, i promise. So what about Dr S’s argument of a 2:1 ratio being important?

]]> By: Jay http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3316 Jay Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:16:21 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3316 Great post Robb. (I posted this the other day with my blackberry but it didn't show up yet, so I hope I don't repeat myself) As an MD practicing in this mess, I think your suggestions are very valid. I only hope the coming "upheaval" in healthcare doesn't run those of us who truly love our patients and profession away. My real quetion is regarding the conversation you and I had in Atlanta at McDougal's joint for the Nutrition cert. Is there a real difference in the absorption of the natural TG fish oil vs ethyl ester or is this just hype. I currently use Nordic Naturals b/c of this claim, but would love to save money by going to the Costco brand. Also I recommend this to many of my macular degeneration and dry eye patients, so would love to offer the savings to them if there is no difference in absorption. Thanks a ton for your work. Great post Robb. (I posted this the other day with my blackberry but it didn’t show up yet, so I hope I don’t repeat myself)
As an MD practicing in this mess, I think your suggestions are very valid. I only hope the coming “upheaval” in healthcare doesn’t run those of us who truly love our patients and profession away.
My real quetion is regarding the conversation you and I had in Atlanta at McDougal’s joint for the Nutrition cert. Is there a real difference in the absorption of the natural TG fish oil vs ethyl ester or is this just hype. I currently use Nordic Naturals b/c of this claim, but would love to save money by going to the Costco brand. Also I recommend this to many of my macular degeneration and dry eye patients, so would love to offer the savings to them if there is no difference in absorption. Thanks a ton for your work.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3315 robbwolf Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:13:59 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3315 Daz- EPA is more inflammation oriented, DHA more cognition. If it's just a higher concentration of equal ratio then yea, Id just price compare. Daz-
EPA is more inflammation oriented, DHA more cognition. If it’s just a higher concentration of equal ratio then yea, Id just price compare.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3314 robbwolf Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:01:04 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3314 KT- End of life care is expensive in part because it last so long...due in large part because of how sick people are. Centenarians, when they die, tend to be VERY healthy...then just die. It tends to be fast. KT-
End of life care is expensive in part because it last so long…due in large part because of how sick people are. Centenarians, when they die, tend to be VERY healthy…then just die. It tends to be fast.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3313 robbwolf Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:58:26 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3313 Carlsons is awesome, great company. Carlsons is awesome, great company.

]]> By: Chad Cilli http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3312 Chad Cilli Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:13:15 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3312 So, I'm a little late jumping into this, but a great post Robb! I have had this argument so many times. Health care in this country is so overinflated it makes me sick. I'll never forget the time I was given 2 advil in an emergency room, and they charged me $250 for it. I realize that the insurance companies don't actually pay that price, but if I hadn't had insurance.... Or the fact that when I had physical therapy, my insurance paid $10 a visit, but once a ran out of my alotted visits (and no one told me how many I was allowed to go to), they charged me $400 a visit and it was non-negotiable. All I did was sit with hot towels on my leg and run on a treadmill. It's things like that that just burn me up. On the fish oil, has anyone tried the Carlson's Cod Liver Oil? I've heard that capsules in plastic containers become rancid after a couple weeks, so I've been thinking about switching. So, I’m a little late jumping into this, but a great post Robb! I have had this argument so many times. Health care in this country is so overinflated it makes me sick. I’ll never forget the time I was given 2 advil in an emergency room, and they charged me $250 for it. I realize that the insurance companies don’t actually pay that price, but if I hadn’t had insurance…. Or the fact that when I had physical therapy, my insurance paid $10 a visit, but once a ran out of my alotted visits (and no one told me how many I was allowed to go to), they charged me $400 a visit and it was non-negotiable. All I did was sit with hot towels on my leg and run on a treadmill. It’s things like that that just burn me up.

On the fish oil, has anyone tried the Carlson’s Cod Liver Oil? I’ve heard that capsules in plastic containers become rancid after a couple weeks, so I’ve been thinking about switching.

]]> By: kt http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3311 kt Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:53:42 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3311 Just one comment on the veterinary care vs. health care issue: people are a lot more ok with putting down Fido when you find he has end-stage pancreatic cancer (read: gonna suffer and die, soon) than letting Grandpa go when he has end-stage pancreatic cancer, even if Grandpa is ready to go. I am absolutely not in favor of "rationing healthcare" or making choices for people, but we do have to face the fact that end-of-life care is hugely expensive. My family has talked about this stuff and we know what each of us do and don't want, and mostly we want to die in peace at our appointed time. It is easier to respect Fido's wishes, though, than convince people that my great-grandma was ok with dying and let her stop all that medical treatment. Just one comment on the veterinary care vs. health care issue: people are a lot more ok with putting down Fido when you find he has end-stage pancreatic cancer (read: gonna suffer and die, soon) than letting Grandpa go when he has end-stage pancreatic cancer, even if Grandpa is ready to go. I am absolutely not in favor of “rationing healthcare” or making choices for people, but we do have to face the fact that end-of-life care is hugely expensive. My family has talked about this stuff and we know what each of us do and don’t want, and mostly we want to die in peace at our appointed time. It is easier to respect Fido’s wishes, though, than convince people that my great-grandma was ok with dying and let her stop all that medical treatment.

]]> By: Daz http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3310 Daz Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:40:53 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3310 So if the ratio of EPA & DHA is insignificant/or depending on why you are taking the fish oil, what not use Dr S's as its provides more of both? Is it just a pricing issue? So if the ratio of EPA & DHA is insignificant/or depending on why you are taking the fish oil, what not use Dr S’s as its provides more of both? Is it just a pricing issue?

]]> By: Joe Steves http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3309 Joe Steves Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:20:27 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3309 Auto insurance is not "market based." You are required by law to purchase auto insurance if you operate a car. Perhaps medical insurance would be as efficient if everyone was required by law to purchase it. Auto insurance is not “market based.” You are required by law to purchase auto insurance if you operate a car. Perhaps medical insurance would be as efficient if everyone was required by law to purchase it.

]]> By: G http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3308 G Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:53:55 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3308 Personally I have tried the Kirkland COSTCO Enteric coated fish oil ( and I mentioned to Katie too) and I felt horrible for 2mos. Then I ran out and switched brands... to a potent SUPER EPA by Now Brand which is excellent (EPA + DHA is 600mg per cap -- very high concentration and more DHA than many brands out there; not that $$ being ~$10-12/month). The enteric coating is acrylate which is a plastic. I don't believe any form of plastic should be ingested because the of the hormone effects it can have on the human systems (just as we avoid microwaving in Tupperware, etc). Hope that helps!! -G diablocrossfit.com Personally I have tried the Kirkland COSTCO Enteric coated fish oil ( and I mentioned to Katie too) and I felt horrible for 2mos. Then I ran out and switched brands… to a potent SUPER EPA by Now Brand which is excellent (EPA + DHA is 600mg per cap — very high concentration and more DHA than many brands out there; not that $$ being ~$10-12/month).

The enteric coating is acrylate which is a plastic. I don’t believe any form of plastic should be ingested because the of the hormone effects it can have on the human systems (just as we avoid microwaving in Tupperware, etc).

Hope that helps!!

-G
diablocrossfit.com

]]> By: Jay Montgomery http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3307 Jay Montgomery Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:54:53 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3307 As an MD in this mess, I'd love to see a system as you propose. It would allow us to truly compete and let our skills and results attract patients and drive the charges we have, not CMS and "Big Insurance". Likely it will all collapse before being rebuilt with a market driven system. I only hope those of us who truly love our profession and our patients will be able to stick it out through the upheaval. My real question is one I asked at the Atlanta Nutrition Cert. Is their a difference in the absorption in the natural TG fish oiils such as Nordic Naturals and LifeGuard Health vs the Ethyl Ester form such as Kirkland. There is a difference in the cost, but if the TG absorbs much better it may be that we can drastically reduce the dose that you recommend for etheyl ester fish oil thereby making the total cost closer. Also this form seems to avoid the GI effects and reflux common with the ethyl esters. I'm also happy to see most of the the major brands are removing Mercury, dioxins, pcb's, and other pollutants. Again thanks for your incredible efforts and insight, if only my colleagues in medicine could grasp your concepts. You are a true scientist. As an MD in this mess, I’d love to see a system as you propose. It would allow us to truly compete and let our skills and results attract patients and drive the charges we have, not CMS and “Big Insurance”. Likely it will all collapse before being rebuilt with a market driven system. I only hope those of us who truly love our profession and our patients will be able to stick it out through the upheaval.
My real question is one I asked at the Atlanta Nutrition Cert. Is their a difference in the absorption in the natural TG fish oiils such as Nordic Naturals and LifeGuard Health vs the Ethyl Ester form such as Kirkland. There is a difference in the cost, but if the TG absorbs much better it may be that we can drastically reduce the dose that you recommend for etheyl ester fish oil thereby making the total cost closer. Also this form seems to avoid the GI effects and reflux common with the ethyl esters. I’m also happy to see most of the the major brands are removing Mercury, dioxins, pcb’s, and other pollutants. Again thanks for your incredible efforts and insight, if only my colleagues in medicine could grasp your concepts. You are a true scientist.

]]> By: Jay http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3306 Jay Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:57:01 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3306 As an MD in this mess, I'd love to see a system as you propose. It would allow us to truly compete and let our skills and results attract patients and drive the charges we have, not CMS and "Big Insurance". Likely it will all collapse before being rebuilt with a market driven system. I only hope those of us who truly love our profession and our patients will be able to stick it out through the upheaval. My real question is one I asked at the Atlanta Nutrition Cert. Is their a difference in the absortion in the natural TG fish oiils such as Nordic Naturals and LifeGuard Health vs the Ethyl Ester form such as Kirkland. There is a difference in the cost, but if the TG absorbs much better it may be that we can drastically reduce the dose that you recommend for etheyl ester fish oil thereby making the total cost closer. Also this form seems to avoid the GI effects and reflux common with the ethyl esters. I'm also happy to see most of the the major brands are removing Mercury, dioxins, pcb's, and other pollutants. Again thanks for your incredible efforts and insight, if only my colleagues in medicine could grasp your concepts. You are a true scientist. As an MD in this mess, I’d love to see a system as you propose. It would allow us to truly compete and let our skills and results attract patients and drive the charges we have, not CMS and “Big Insurance”. Likely it will all collapse before being rebuilt with a market driven system. I only hope those of us who truly love our profession and our patients will be able to stick it out through the upheaval.
My real question is one I asked at the Atlanta Nutrition Cert. Is their a difference in the absortion in the natural TG fish oiils such as Nordic Naturals and LifeGuard Health vs the Ethyl Ester form such as Kirkland. There is a difference in the cost, but if the TG absorbs much better it may be that we can drastically reduce the dose that you recommend for etheyl ester fish oil thereby making the total cost closer. Also this form seems to avoid the GI effects and reflux common with the ethyl esters. I’m also happy to see most of the the major brands are removing Mercury, dioxins, pcb’s, and other pollutants. Again thanks for your incredible efforts and insight, if only my colleagues in medicine could grasp your concepts. You are a true scientist.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3305 robbwolf Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:09:29 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3305 Pam- I REALLY like carlsons, nordic naturals and solece. All the DR lines are typically very good quality, typically soy free. Pam-
I REALLY like carlsons, nordic naturals and solece. All the DR lines are typically very good quality, typically soy free.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3304 robbwolf Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:08:00 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3304 Marshal- Look for an enteric coated fish oil. Costco sells one, it is 2x as concentrated as the other variety. Marshal-
Look for an enteric coated fish oil. Costco sells one, it is 2x as concentrated as the other variety.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3303 robbwolf Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:06:41 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3303 Daz- EPA is better for inflammation, DHA is better for cognitive issues. If you notice, most ADHA formulas for kids are mainly DHA. THere is a slow inner-conversion between the two but it's inefficient. Daz-
EPA is better for inflammation, DHA is better for cognitive issues. If you notice, most ADHA formulas for kids are mainly DHA. THere is a slow inner-conversion between the two but it’s inefficient.

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3302 robbwolf Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:05:32 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3302 Mike- No idea on that label change. I can give them another email/phone call salvo and see how they are doing. Mike-
No idea on that label change. I can give them another email/phone call salvo and see how they are doing.

]]> By: Mike S http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3301 Mike S Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:36:27 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3301 Hey Robb, I coulda swore that the Kirkland fish oil (400 softgel) bottle used to individually list EPA/DHA amounts (e.g. 180/120 mg), but my last two bottles have read "...(EPA/DHA and other Omega 3) 300 mg". Is there any concern about the "other" sneaking onto the label (as I throw back about 15 a day)? Hey Robb, I coulda swore that the Kirkland fish oil (400 softgel) bottle used to individually list EPA/DHA amounts (e.g. 180/120 mg), but my last two bottles have read “…(EPA/DHA and other Omega 3) 300 mg”. Is there any concern about the “other” sneaking onto the label (as I throw back about 15 a day)?

]]> By: Daz http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3300 Daz Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:07:14 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3300 quick one about the fish oil, what about Dr Sears' oil at 2:1 ratio, the kirkland is 180&120. whats the reasoning? quick one about the fish oil,
what about Dr Sears’ oil at 2:1 ratio, the kirkland is 180&120. whats the reasoning?

]]> By: Marshall http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3299 Marshall Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:19:55 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3299 I thought I heard about a fish oil that you can't taste when you burp. Is there such a thing? Speaking of health care / health crisis; do you know what kids are being served in school these days? I can remember eating corn chips and swiss rolls washed down with a cherry pepsi in junior high. And you could get Pizza Hut pizza and breadsticks and cheese fries everyday in high school. They aren't teaching about hyperinsulinism in high school. I thought I heard about a fish oil that you can’t taste when you burp. Is there such a thing?

Speaking of health care / health crisis; do you know what kids are being served in school these days? I can remember eating corn chips and swiss rolls washed down with a cherry pepsi in junior high. And you could get Pizza Hut pizza and breadsticks and cheese fries everyday in high school.

They aren’t teaching about hyperinsulinism in high school.

]]> By: Pam Maltzman http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3298 Pam Maltzman Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:19:26 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3298 I have used Costco's fish oil in the past. Right now I'm buying at Sam's Club, as the Costco membership needs re-upping. The Sam's Club fish oil capsules, and most of the brands on sale at Vitamin Shoppe as well, have SOYBEAN OIL in them, something which I want to avoid. Not sure if Costco's fish oil capsules have this in them, but when I re-up my Costco membership, I will check it out. Barry Sears sells a pharmaceutical-grade, high-dose fish oil (capsules and liquid) which used to run about $55 per month. When my cash flow improves, I might go back to using that brand. In the meantime, I am avoiding SOYBEAN OIL as much as possible, thank you very much. I have used Costco’s fish oil in the past. Right now I’m buying at Sam’s Club, as the Costco membership needs re-upping.

The Sam’s Club fish oil capsules, and most of the brands on sale at Vitamin Shoppe as well, have SOYBEAN OIL in them, something which I want to avoid. Not sure if Costco’s fish oil capsules have this in them, but when I re-up my Costco membership, I will check it out.

Barry Sears sells a pharmaceutical-grade, high-dose fish oil (capsules and liquid) which used to run about $55 per month. When my cash flow improves, I might go back to using that brand.

In the meantime, I am avoiding SOYBEAN OIL as much as possible, thank you very much.

]]> By: Justin De Quim http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3297 Justin De Quim Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:22:39 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3297 I see .I always have taken pharm grade as i want less of the shee-ite pcb's, etc in my body as assume amd riddled with anyways Toot N Flute as they say in Bog Land I see .I always have taken pharm grade as i want less of the shee-ite pcb’s, etc in my body as assume amd riddled with anyways

Toot N Flute as they say in Bog Land

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3296 robbwolf Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:45:51 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3296 Fellows- Not pharm grade but unless folks have GI issues with fish, not real need. Fellows-
Not pharm grade but unless folks have GI issues with fish, not real need.

]]> By: Justin De Quim http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3295 Justin De Quim Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:29:15 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3295 Sir thanks. Is the Land of Kirk Fish oil pharm grade pleasum ? Sir thanks.

Is the Land of Kirk Fish oil pharm grade pleasum ?

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3294 robbwolf Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:14:10 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3294 Rob- Yep! we will bea at a coffee house near you! Rob-
Yep! we will bea at a coffee house near you!

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3293 robbwolf Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:12:43 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3293 Jeremy- As best as I can telly the Costco stuff is legit. The folks selling Dr's lines are not in agreement with this but... Jeremy-
As best as I can telly the Costco stuff is legit. The folks selling Dr’s lines are not in agreement with this but…

]]> By: robbwolf http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3292 robbwolf Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:09:46 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3292 Fellows- Not on the books yet! Likely in the fall. Thanks for the multi-national input! Fellows-
Not on the books yet! Likely in the fall. Thanks for the multi-national input!

]]> By: Randy Buttocks http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3291 Randy Buttocks Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:36:35 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3291 Agree in one way about the costings of systems but having lived in Canada(now) the UK for 20+ years, America 3.5, Australia 1.5, France for 2.5 and Africa 3 i would say hands down that a public health service a la Can-Ardour or the UK is far far superior to what America has.At least one doesnt have to worry about treatment if one doesnt have gold standard medi.insurance and the life changing costs of such treatment. Of course the French system is bloody brilliant.I'm no real fan of Michael Moores work or his victim schtick but when recently watching 'Sicko' i had to agree the French system is not being exaggerated from my experience. When are you in BC, Nobby ? Agree in one way about the costings of systems but having lived in Canada(now) the UK for 20+ years, America 3.5, Australia 1.5, France for 2.5 and Africa 3 i would say hands down that a public health service a la Can-Ardour or the UK is far far superior to what America has.At least one doesnt have to worry about treatment if one doesnt have gold standard medi.insurance and the life changing costs of such treatment.

Of course the French system is bloody brilliant.I’m no real fan of Michael Moores work or his victim schtick but when recently watching ‘Sicko’ i had to agree the French system is not being exaggerated from my experience.

When are you in BC, Nobby ?

]]> By: derek http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3290 derek Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:34:04 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3290 Duder, I agree 100%. Common medical services need to be exposed to free market forces. I dont give a shit how much the medical services I render cost as long as my insurance pays for it. So long as consumers don't care how much services cost, then costs can't be controlled (unless by the gov't). There's a good Frontline piece on the problems with even the best socialized healthcare systems in the world. The sad thing about discussing this is that our healthcare system won't be reformed...costs will rise until doctors start to opt out of accepting insurance bc it makes more business sense for them. There are general practitioners who have already started doing this. Duder,

I agree 100%. Common medical services need to be exposed to free market forces.

I dont give a shit how much the medical services I render cost as long as my insurance pays for it. So long as consumers don’t care how much services cost, then costs can’t be controlled (unless by the gov’t). There’s a good Frontline piece on the problems with even the best socialized healthcare systems in the world.

The sad thing about discussing this is that our healthcare system won’t be reformed…costs will rise until doctors start to opt out of accepting insurance bc it makes more business sense for them. There are general practitioners who have already started doing this.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3289 Jeremy Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:07:58 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3289 Robb, Did you analyze any other Costco/Kirtland brand supplements? That would be a huge cost savings in our house if we could get Vit C, Cod oil, Fish oil from Costco. Robb,
Did you analyze any other Costco/Kirtland brand supplements? That would be a huge cost savings in our house if we could get Vit C, Cod oil, Fish oil from Costco.

]]> By: randy http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3288 randy Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:36:58 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3288 A tangent off fish oil but....It always cracks me up (or more accurately makes me want to puke) when "they" (who are they really anyway) talk about health care reform. What we need is health reform. Robb you are right on with your analogy of auto insurance, and the that if routine maintenance such as gas, oil changes, wiper blades, tires, etc. were covered, obviously, auto insurance rates would skyrocket exactly the way health care/insurance prices have. People think health insurance is designed for "maintenance". It is not! The average cost for annual health care is now at over $8000.00 per person in the US. I believe there needs to be a financial incentive for healthy behavior and a financial dis-incentive for the opposite. As an example in Colorado, the legislature recently passed legislation that effectively stops heath insurance companies from charging smokers and fat people more than non-smokers and non-fat people for group health coverage. I'm sorry but while I completely respect the right to do whatever you want to, to your own body, you need to also accept the consequences. Higher medical/insurance costs are one. There is certainly plenty of blame to go around for the mess we are in. Big Pharm, Big Government, Doctors, Hospitals, Big Media and just as guilty is every single person that doesn't take personal responsibility for there own good health and for that of their family. While a 3rd party payer system has lots of room for fraud, God help us if we go to a single payer system i.e. nationalized health care, socialized medicine...it will be great for every person without a pot to piss in, it will suck for everyone else. Well maybe not. The government is going to own all the banks, all the investment houses, the auto makers, the insurance companies, heck lets let them make decision about our health care and medical procedures too. That would be like barack giving us all a sigmoidoscopy...at least it would feel like one! a I've been CrossFitting for about 6 years and in the insurance business twice as long. I talk to people every day about health insurance and interestingly, about health & fitness every day as well. Oy can I tell you stories...I digress. Let's model our Western medical system on Eastern Medicine...Pay the doctor for keeping you well, not when you get sick A tangent off fish oil but….It always cracks me up (or more accurately makes me want to puke) when “they” (who are they really anyway) talk about health care reform. What we need is health reform. Robb you are right on with your analogy of auto insurance, and the that if routine maintenance such as gas, oil changes, wiper blades, tires, etc. were covered, obviously, auto insurance rates would skyrocket exactly the way health care/insurance prices have. People think health insurance is designed for “maintenance”. It is not! The average cost for annual health care is now at over $8000.00 per person in the US. I believe there needs to be a financial incentive for healthy behavior and a financial dis-incentive for the opposite. As an example in Colorado, the legislature recently passed legislation that effectively stops heath insurance companies from charging smokers and fat people more than non-smokers and non-fat people for group health coverage. I’m sorry but while I completely respect the right to do whatever you want to, to your own body, you need to also accept the consequences. Higher medical/insurance costs are one. There is certainly plenty of blame to go around for the mess we are in. Big Pharm, Big Government, Doctors, Hospitals, Big Media and just as guilty is every single person that doesn’t take personal responsibility for there own good health and for that of their family. While a 3rd party payer system has lots of room for fraud, God help us if we go to a single payer system i.e. nationalized health care, socialized medicine…it will be great for every person without a pot to piss in, it will suck for everyone else. Well maybe not. The government is going to own all the banks, all the investment houses, the auto makers, the insurance companies, heck lets let them make decision about our health care and medical procedures too. That would be like barack giving us all a sigmoidoscopy…at least it would feel like one! a I’ve been CrossFitting for about 6 years and in the insurance business twice as long. I talk to people every day about health insurance and interestingly, about health & fitness every day as well. Oy can I tell you stories…I digress. Let’s model our Western medical system on Eastern Medicine…Pay the doctor for keeping you well, not when you get sick

]]> By: Jonny http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3287 Jonny Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:05:17 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3287 I'd like to add that Costco has a coupon for said fish-oil right now so I would suggest getting as much as you can afford, $3 bucks off $9 400 caps 9-12 caps a day 365 days a year, you do the math and stock up. It's the genie in a bottle that you've been looking for. I’d like to add that Costco has a coupon for said fish-oil right now so I would suggest getting as much as you can afford, $3 bucks off $9 400 caps 9-12 caps a day 365 days a year, you do the math and stock up. It’s the genie in a bottle that you’ve been looking for.

]]> By: Rob McBee http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3286 Rob McBee Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:42:11 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3286 Insightful stuff on some hot-button issues. Prescription fish oil? Sheesh... Have you seen the documentary "Fat Head"? Noticed both Eades and Taubes contributed to the film so I'm ordering a copy. btw, I heard a rumor you were bringing the Nutrition Cert up to Scotty's gym in the near future. Hope I heard correct. Insightful stuff on some hot-button issues. Prescription fish oil? Sheesh… Have you seen the documentary “Fat Head”? Noticed both Eades and Taubes contributed to the film so I’m ordering a copy.

btw, I heard a rumor you were bringing the Nutrition Cert up to Scotty’s gym in the near future. Hope I heard correct.

]]> By: Scott Pauly http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3285 Scott Pauly Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:40:03 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3285 Hey Robb, Howz it? Only in America would a drug company charge 20 times the amount for a product, that is readily avail at any health food or grocery store, the sad thing is that the "sheep" will pay this high price. What's next, a prescription for grass fed beef? Aloha Scott Pauly Crossfit Phoenix Hey Robb,
Howz it? Only in America would a drug company charge 20 times the amount for a product, that is readily avail at any health food or grocery store, the sad thing is that the “sheep” will pay this high price. What’s next, a prescription for grass fed beef?
Aloha
Scott Pauly
Crossfit Phoenix

]]> By: Sean B-H http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3284 Sean B-H Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:45:07 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3284 On the topic of Canadian health care: I am a Political Science major in Ontario and we discuss the huge costs of health care sometimes in class. It is literally the largest Federal and Provincial expenditure. Free health care has its benefits but as the baby boomers age its going to cost an arm and a leg to take care of all the smokers and fatties that neglected their health for 50 - 60 years. When I recommend a two tier system to save money and create an ability to invest in preventative health care (educating children in proper healthy lifestyles), the left wing hippy kids I go to school look at me like i have two heads. God forbid we take the fucking pop machines and candy machines out of the schools and promote kids getting off their ass and exercising. Canadians have to realize there is going to be a massive strain on our health care system because people don't give a shit about their health. I personally don't want to keep paying for this. On another note Robb, I am really looking forward to your seminar coming up in Chicago. On the topic of Canadian health care:

I am a Political Science major in Ontario and we discuss the huge costs of health care sometimes in class. It is literally the largest Federal and Provincial expenditure. Free health care has its benefits but as the baby boomers age its going to cost an arm and a leg to take care of all the smokers and fatties that neglected their health for 50 – 60 years.

When I recommend a two tier system to save money and create an ability to invest in preventative health care (educating children in proper healthy lifestyles), the left wing hippy kids I go to school look at me like i have two heads. God forbid we take the fucking pop machines and candy machines out of the schools and promote kids getting off their ass and exercising.

Canadians have to realize there is going to be a massive strain on our health care system because people don’t give a shit about their health. I personally don’t want to keep paying for this.

On another note Robb, I am really looking forward to your seminar coming up in Chicago.

]]> By: V http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3283 V Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:14:44 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3283 Thanks Rob, I enjoyed your reply to my question. Valid points around veterinary medicine. Not sure i agree with it all in totality but I definitely agree with the observation around lululemon pants. Have a good day, and keep the blog rolling. Thanks Rob,
I enjoyed your reply to my question. Valid points around veterinary medicine. Not sure i agree with it all in totality but I definitely agree with the observation around lululemon pants.

Have a good day, and keep the blog rolling.

]]> By: Bob Guere http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/25/fish-oil-and-the-real-cost-of-health/#comment-3282 Bob Guere Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:37:07 +0000 http://robbwolf.com/?p=466#comment-3282 Frakkin' great post Robb........ as usual. Can't wait for the book. Frakkin’ great post Robb…….. as usual. Can’t wait for the book.

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