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		<title>By: Wednesday WOD 20110615 &#171; CrossFit O-Zone</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-30968</link>
		<dc:creator>Wednesday WOD 20110615 &#171; CrossFit O-Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robb Wolf on one of the things everyone should be concerned about, whether you are twenty or fifty: Paleo vs. Osteoporosis. By the way, did you know that moving heavy things, jumping around and stressing the bones are ways [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Primal diet and osteoporosis &#124; Mark's Daily Apple Health and Fitness Forum page</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-30875</link>
		<dc:creator>Primal diet and osteoporosis &#124; Mark's Daily Apple Health and Fitness Forum page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 05:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]          Some reading:  Paleo vs Osteoporosis Ladies: We Can Stop With the Calcium Chews, Already &#124; Mark&#039;s Daily Apple  What I keep hearing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]          Some reading:  Paleo vs Osteoporosis Ladies: We Can Stop With the Calcium Chews, Already | Mark&#039;s Daily Apple  What I keep hearing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-26275</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m eating Paleo, but I&#039;m still worried. The link below does suggest more meat more osteoporosis

http://healthrecipes.com/osteoporosis.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m eating Paleo, but I&#8217;m still worried. The link below does suggest more meat more osteoporosis</p>
<p><a href="http://healthrecipes.com/osteoporosis.htm" rel="nofollow">http://healthrecipes.com/osteoporosis.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-23596</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robb, I&#039;ve been doing some looking into this and I have an answer to this question.

There are two main varieties of acid/alkaline lists of foods.

Dr Codain uses PRAL method to measure and assess whether a food is acid or alkaline and so does all of the published research I&#039;ve found.

The other variant comes from Dr Robert Young who wrote and published &quot;The pH Miracle&quot;. He says the PRAL method is insufficient because it fails to take into account the sugar content of food. His opinion is that sugar of all sorts is acidifying which is why most fruits are listed as acidic. He bases all of this on his live and dry blood analysis although I&#039;ve not been able to find anything on this in the peer reviewed literature.

Dr Young&#039;s list is widely available on the net because it&#039;s advocated by Energise For Life.

I&#039;ve been looking into it for a while now and can&#039;t decide whether it&#039;s legit or not so I run with the PRAL method until I see something that convinces me otherwise.

Hope this helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robb, I&#8217;ve been doing some looking into this and I have an answer to this question.</p>
<p>There are two main varieties of acid/alkaline lists of foods.</p>
<p>Dr Codain uses PRAL method to measure and assess whether a food is acid or alkaline and so does all of the published research I&#8217;ve found.</p>
<p>The other variant comes from Dr Robert Young who wrote and published &#8220;The pH Miracle&#8221;. He says the PRAL method is insufficient because it fails to take into account the sugar content of food. His opinion is that sugar of all sorts is acidifying which is why most fruits are listed as acidic. He bases all of this on his live and dry blood analysis although I&#8217;ve not been able to find anything on this in the peer reviewed literature.</p>
<p>Dr Young&#8217;s list is widely available on the net because it&#8217;s advocated by Energise For Life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking into it for a while now and can&#8217;t decide whether it&#8217;s legit or not so I run with the PRAL method until I see something that convinces me otherwise.</p>
<p>Hope this helps!</p>
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		<title>By: Grains, beans, dairy do not make strong bones!</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-21658</link>
		<dc:creator>Grains, beans, dairy do not make strong bones!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here’s an excellent post by Dr. Kurt Harris that covers pretty much all you need to know about Vit D. Also, here’s a good Robb Wolf post “Paleo vs. Osteoporosis”. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here’s an excellent post by Dr. Kurt Harris that covers pretty much all you need to know about Vit D. Also, here’s a good Robb Wolf post “Paleo vs. Osteoporosis”. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Monday WOD 20100517 &#171; CrossFit O-Zone</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3223</link>
		<dc:creator>Monday WOD 20100517 &#171; CrossFit O-Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 07:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Internal issues 1) If your gut is irritated by neolithic foods like grains and gluten, dairy, sugar, or legumes then you are not fully able to absorb nutrients coming from foods you eat or supplements you take which means all that calcium you are taking in isn&#8217;t getting made into bone! Here is a great article from Robb Wolf about why going gluten free increased a patients bone strengt... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Internal issues 1) If your gut is irritated by neolithic foods like grains and gluten, dairy, sugar, or legumes then you are not fully able to absorb nutrients coming from foods you eat or supplements you take which means all that calcium you are taking in isn&#8217;t getting made into bone! Here is a great article from Robb Wolf about why going gluten free increased a patients bone strengt&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read it speculated that strontium has an effect on bones.

 M@  is well informed - mentioned &quot;phytates? &quot;
The amount of vitamin d that can be obtained from food is tiny. (halibut liver oil is hardly Paleo).

What were  vitamin D levels in the Paleolithic ?  &lt;a href=&quot;http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2009/06/mad-dogs-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mad dogs and .... &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read it speculated that strontium has an effect on bones.</p>
<p> M@  is well informed &#8211; mentioned &#8220;phytates? &#8221;<br />
The amount of vitamin d that can be obtained from food is tiny. (halibut liver oil is hardly Paleo).</p>
<p>What were  vitamin D levels in the Paleolithic ?  <a href="http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2009/06/mad-dogs-and.html" rel="nofollow">Mad dogs and &#8230;. </a></p>
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		<title>By: Paleo vs Osteoporosis &#124; CrossFit Toronto</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3221</link>
		<dc:creator>Paleo vs Osteoporosis &#124; CrossFit Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3220</link>
		<dc:creator>jgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robb,
Awesome info. Time and time again. Thank you :-) ~j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robb,<br />
Awesome info. Time and time again. Thank you <img src='http://js2.robbwolf.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ~j</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Buttocks</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3219</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Buttocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robb you are a gent.

Thanks yr time and yr knowledge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robb you are a gent.</p>
<p>Thanks yr time and yr knowledge</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monica-
Something to keep in mind: If the gut lining is damaged we absorb neither vit-d nor minerals efficiently. Cordain has a paper on this describing the north/south variation in skin pigmentation of europeans and how this was an adaptation to encroaching agriculture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monica-<br />
Something to keep in mind: If the gut lining is damaged we absorb neither vit-d nor minerals efficiently. Cordain has a paper on this describing the north/south variation in skin pigmentation of europeans and how this was an adaptation to encroaching agriculture.</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3217</link>
		<dc:creator>robbwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoAnne-
First, thank you for sharing all this. You are an inspiration! I have never been able to affect the level of change you have tackled in my own mother...it heartens me to know some folks are giving this wacky stuff a shot and benefiting from it.

All I would recommend is trying a simple digestive aid like Nowfoods:Super enzymes. Start with 1 cap per meal, see how you feel. It contains betaine HCl so it increases stomach acid. That considered you need to take it with meals that have protein like chicken, fish etc (this should be all your meal anyway!). This should help with the veggies digestion, you can also steam your veggies pretty thoroughly to help the digestion. Keep us posted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoAnne-<br />
First, thank you for sharing all this. You are an inspiration! I have never been able to affect the level of change you have tackled in my own mother&#8230;it heartens me to know some folks are giving this wacky stuff a shot and benefiting from it.</p>
<p>All I would recommend is trying a simple digestive aid like Nowfoods:Super enzymes. Start with 1 cap per meal, see how you feel. It contains betaine HCl so it increases stomach acid. That considered you need to take it with meals that have protein like chicken, fish etc (this should be all your meal anyway!). This should help with the veggies digestion, you can also steam your veggies pretty thoroughly to help the digestion. Keep us posted!</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3216</link>
		<dc:creator>robbwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Scott! Very kind words. Rutman calls the affliction you described as &quot;owe, ell, dee&quot; (old). It sucks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Scott! Very kind words. Rutman calls the affliction you described as &#8220;owe, ell, dee&#8221; (old). It sucks!</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3215</link>
		<dc:creator>robbwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff-
I might have this in the appendix of the book...I have a ream of research on the topic...not able to unearth it right now. Keep digging, you will likely find the same stuff I did. Best I can offer for now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff-<br />
I might have this in the appendix of the book&#8230;I have a ream of research on the topic&#8230;not able to unearth it right now. Keep digging, you will likely find the same stuff I did. Best I can offer for now!</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3214</link>
		<dc:creator>robbwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fellows-
Exercise is interesting in that the endocrine response to specific activities and intensities decreases rapidly. Someone brand new to rowing will see very high hGH levels with 500m row repeats. In a few weeks, this response is greatly blunted. This IS much of the power of CrossFit, that things are constantly varied and this variance allows for a solid endocrine response.

Now, all that said, there are things like the olympic lifts that produce a heck of an endocrine response, but require some repetitious effort to attain some mastery...but simply changing work/rest intervals, loading etc will keep that scene fresh. What this means for our physiques is a better running metabolism, more muscle building, less muscle wasting, more fat used as fuel. In theory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fellows-<br />
Exercise is interesting in that the endocrine response to specific activities and intensities decreases rapidly. Someone brand new to rowing will see very high hGH levels with 500m row repeats. In a few weeks, this response is greatly blunted. This IS much of the power of CrossFit, that things are constantly varied and this variance allows for a solid endocrine response.</p>
<p>Now, all that said, there are things like the olympic lifts that produce a heck of an endocrine response, but require some repetitious effort to attain some mastery&#8230;but simply changing work/rest intervals, loading etc will keep that scene fresh. What this means for our physiques is a better running metabolism, more muscle building, less muscle wasting, more fat used as fuel. In theory!</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3213</link>
		<dc:creator>robbwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike-
Read Grace&#039;s comment (animal pharm) she is a practicing pHD pharmacist and seems to buy what I&#039;m saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike-<br />
Read Grace&#8217;s comment (animal pharm) she is a practicing pHD pharmacist and seems to buy what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kustes - Life Spotlight</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3212</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kustes - Life Spotlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Robb!  The whole calcium, no-dairy thing is one I have to explain to a lot of people.  The dairy lobby has done an &lt;em&gt;excellent&lt;/em&gt; job of making the connection between dairy = calcium = bone strength.  It&#039;s an unquestionable &quot;truth&quot;!  It seems to be one of the more common questions people have...&quot;where do I get my calcium?&quot;

One other thing the dairy advertisers aren&#039;t telling us is that magnesium and vitamin D are at least as important as calcium in building bone.  And since most of us are vitamin D deficient...

Cheers Robb
Scott Kustes
Life Spotlight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Robb!  The whole calcium, no-dairy thing is one I have to explain to a lot of people.  The dairy lobby has done an <em>excellent</em> job of making the connection between dairy = calcium = bone strength.  It&#8217;s an unquestionable &#8220;truth&#8221;!  It seems to be one of the more common questions people have&#8230;&#8221;where do I get my calcium?&#8221;</p>
<p>One other thing the dairy advertisers aren&#8217;t telling us is that magnesium and vitamin D are at least as important as calcium in building bone.  And since most of us are vitamin D deficient&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers Robb<br />
Scott Kustes<br />
Life Spotlight</p>
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		<title>By: animal pharm</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3211</link>
		<dc:creator>animal pharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh darn it Robb... u r SOOO good...!!!! :)

Our bones are like life -- the strongest are CROSSLINKED... connected...

Fosamax yea may increase density (but who wants &#039;dense&#039; as you said it so well during your CF nutri cert... small/dense LDL-chol particles are NOT desired... and neither are &#039;dense&#039; skeletal structures)...  bones actually will become more brittle in one direction v. another without cross-connections (and yes -- fosamax taken &gt;5-10yrs is now being observed to do indeed i-n-c-r-e-a-s-e fractures).  Maximal bone strength derives from multi-direction-strengthening, extended-enforcements (eg, earthquake-proofing), multi-rebarred linking formed by the factors that Paleo H-G man consumed...and weight-beared via work/ HIT-hunting/ foraging/ fishing/ etc...
--fat soluble vitamins ADEK (u and Nicki doing the &#039;D&#039; right oh?)
--vitamin K2 from fermented foods -- like the Probiotics u like  :)
--omega-3&#039;s EPA DHA GLA and ALA -- yes studies are showing Sears is right on -- long chain omega&#039;s are vitally important for BONE REMODELLING
--other fats, CLA, saturated fats (caprylic acid, MCTs, etc like coconut oil, grassfed meat, wild fowl/seafood... Lisbona F. Int J Vitam Nutr Res. 1989;59(3):255-61.), etc
--adequate protein (bone marrow excellent -- for stem cells and growth factors)
--iron Fe and other minerals Magnesium, Boron, Selenium, etc...


Crossfit to me... is like the ultimate CROSSLINKING for l-i-f-e  :)

*haa*  And Patrone&#039;s doesn&#039;t hurt...right?

Thanks!! G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh darn it Robb&#8230; u r SOOO good&#8230;!!!! <img src='http://js2.robbwolf.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Our bones are like life &#8212; the strongest are CROSSLINKED&#8230; connected&#8230;</p>
<p>Fosamax yea may increase density (but who wants &#8216;dense&#8217; as you said it so well during your CF nutri cert&#8230; small/dense LDL-chol particles are NOT desired&#8230; and neither are &#8216;dense&#8217; skeletal structures)&#8230;  bones actually will become more brittle in one direction v. another without cross-connections (and yes &#8212; fosamax taken &gt;5-10yrs is now being observed to do indeed i-n-c-r-e-a-s-e fractures).  Maximal bone strength derives from multi-direction-strengthening, extended-enforcements (eg, earthquake-proofing), multi-rebarred linking formed by the factors that Paleo H-G man consumed&#8230;and weight-beared via work/ HIT-hunting/ foraging/ fishing/ etc&#8230;<br />
&#8211;fat soluble vitamins ADEK (u and Nicki doing the &#8216;D&#8217; right oh?)<br />
&#8211;vitamin K2 from fermented foods &#8212; like the Probiotics u like  <img src='http://js2.robbwolf.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&#8211;omega-3&#8242;s EPA DHA GLA and ALA &#8212; yes studies are showing Sears is right on &#8212; long chain omega&#8217;s are vitally important for BONE REMODELLING<br />
&#8211;other fats, CLA, saturated fats (caprylic acid, MCTs, etc like coconut oil, grassfed meat, wild fowl/seafood&#8230; Lisbona F. Int J Vitam Nutr Res. 1989;59(3):255-61.), etc<br />
&#8211;adequate protein (bone marrow excellent &#8212; for stem cells and growth factors)<br />
&#8211;iron Fe and other minerals Magnesium, Boron, Selenium, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Crossfit to me&#8230; is like the ultimate CROSSLINKING for l-i-f-e  <img src='http://js2.robbwolf.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>*haa*  And Patrone&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t hurt&#8230;right?</p>
<p>Thanks!! G</p>
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		<title>By: M@</title>
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		<dc:creator>M@</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robb, Me,

   The differences in the numbers are due to many factors such as the method employed (direct, indirect, acid-ash diet calculation), the quantity of food that was used to make the measurement (100g or 300Kcal), and whether or not the bioavailability of nutrients were taken into account. The numbers found on Dr. Cordain&#039;s site come from a 1995 study that directly measured net acid excretion via titration of urine samples. As a result, the numbers are a little better than what can be obtained using other methods. I say &quot;a little better&quot; because there are a number of approximations and assumptions that are involved in these calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robb, Me,</p>
<p>   The differences in the numbers are due to many factors such as the method employed (direct, indirect, acid-ash diet calculation), the quantity of food that was used to make the measurement (100g or 300Kcal), and whether or not the bioavailability of nutrients were taken into account. The numbers found on Dr. Cordain&#8217;s site come from a 1995 study that directly measured net acid excretion via titration of urine samples. As a result, the numbers are a little better than what can be obtained using other methods. I say &#8220;a little better&#8221; because there are a number of approximations and assumptions that are involved in these calculations.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3209</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I agree with you from the diet sense I think you are a bit off regarding the treatment of osteoporosis.  Fosamax and other bisphosphonates don&#039;t &quot;stuff calcium&quot; into the bones but slow down how quickly the bones are broken down.  There are several high-quality trials that show using bisphosphonates in people who have osteoporosis decreases fractures.  At the end of the day, it doesn&#039;t matter what the bone matrix looks like as long as people are less likely to break something when they fall down.  Yes science and medicine are not exact, but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater because they haven&#039;t gotten on board with the paleo/gluten-free movement yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree with you from the diet sense I think you are a bit off regarding the treatment of osteoporosis.  Fosamax and other bisphosphonates don&#8217;t &#8220;stuff calcium&#8221; into the bones but slow down how quickly the bones are broken down.  There are several high-quality trials that show using bisphosphonates in people who have osteoporosis decreases fractures.  At the end of the day, it doesn&#8217;t matter what the bone matrix looks like as long as people are less likely to break something when they fall down.  Yes science and medicine are not exact, but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater because they haven&#8217;t gotten on board with the paleo/gluten-free movement yet.</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3208</link>
		<dc:creator>robbwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No clue on the variability...oddly enough, science is not an &quot;exact science&quot;!!</description>
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		<title>By: Warren Nichols</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3207</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;swoosh out your pooper&quot; thats funny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;swoosh out your pooper&#8221; thats funny!</p>
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		<title>By: Simontly Fellows</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3206</link>
		<dc:creator>Simontly Fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 04:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Squire Hi..Do you ascribe to the notion that a more evol correct exercise profile..less linearity as it were might somehow facilitate the using of more nutrients and fat stores than say rote repeticious anaerobic exercise  please ?

Senor Taubes suggested some of his pals believed this.

You know all this kinda stuff...any ideas please ?

Also any rough idea when you&#039;re in Vancouver please ?
I know this place that serves very wonderful lamb and reasonably priced despite the owner having a temperament better suited to being in charge of a CIA torture facility.

All good things lad.

x(manly, not Greek up the chuff..ok ok maybe just a tadge !)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squire Hi..Do you ascribe to the notion that a more evol correct exercise profile..less linearity as it were might somehow facilitate the using of more nutrients and fat stores than say rote repeticious anaerobic exercise  please ?</p>
<p>Senor Taubes suggested some of his pals believed this.</p>
<p>You know all this kinda stuff&#8230;any ideas please ?</p>
<p>Also any rough idea when you&#8217;re in Vancouver please ?<br />
I know this place that serves very wonderful lamb and reasonably priced despite the owner having a temperament better suited to being in charge of a CIA torture facility.</p>
<p>All good things lad.</p>
<p>x(manly, not Greek up the chuff..ok ok maybe just a tadge !)</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3205</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>robb, why are there so many differences between different acid/alkaline tables all over the place. depending where you look them up (online), the same food is measured as having a different acidity content (google acid/base tables and see for yourself...not 2 of them are the same). i trust dr cordain&#039;s table but i&#039;m going simply on faith, and would like a more detailed reason on how those things are calculated.
many thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>robb, why are there so many differences between different acid/alkaline tables all over the place. depending where you look them up (online), the same food is measured as having a different acidity content (google acid/base tables and see for yourself&#8230;not 2 of them are the same). i trust dr cordain&#8217;s table but i&#8217;m going simply on faith, and would like a more detailed reason on how those things are calculated.<br />
many thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Else</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3204</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Else</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

Just started following your blog and I am really impressed with the quality.  I like to dork it up once in a while and appreciate your commitment to the collective.

This post raised a few questions for me.  You made a comment and linked to a study/secondary analysis that Ca+ supplementation leads to cardiovascular issues.  A little do diligence and I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that all good scientists come to; further research is needed.  Seems like a small study (~1500), nearly half the women bailed, and the researchers admit its not conclusive.  I was able to find some other larger studies drawing opposite conclusions (although in unhealthy individuals).  I am curious if your aware of any other research to support link to adverse events?  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I am not trying to call you out.  I&#039;ll be the first one to line up and advocate getting my Ca+ from whole food sources!  I love my greens!  I just want to have a solid foundation to recommend people stop taking their supplements when I know they aren&#039;t willing to change the diet enough.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>Just started following your blog and I am really impressed with the quality.  I like to dork it up once in a while and appreciate your commitment to the collective.</p>
<p>This post raised a few questions for me.  You made a comment and linked to a study/secondary analysis that Ca+ supplementation leads to cardiovascular issues.  A little do diligence and I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that all good scientists come to; further research is needed.  Seems like a small study (~1500), nearly half the women bailed, and the researchers admit its not conclusive.  I was able to find some other larger studies drawing opposite conclusions (although in unhealthy individuals).  I am curious if your aware of any other research to support link to adverse events?  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I am not trying to call you out.  I&#8217;ll be the first one to line up and advocate getting my Ca+ from whole food sources!  I love my greens!  I just want to have a solid foundation to recommend people stop taking their supplements when I know they aren&#8217;t willing to change the diet enough.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3203</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robb,

You are an incredibly generous human being.  What great information, and I really appreciate your concision.  Rather than going off on all kinds of scientific tangents, you get to the point and provide practical application advice.

These issues become more and more important to me and my wife as we grow more. . . seasoned (ahem) at this life-gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robb,</p>
<p>You are an incredibly generous human being.  What great information, and I really appreciate your concision.  Rather than going off on all kinds of scientific tangents, you get to the point and provide practical application advice.</p>
<p>These issues become more and more important to me and my wife as we grow more. . . seasoned (ahem) at this life-gig.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3202</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Charla&#039;s Mom. I gradually started removing gluten from my diet about a year and a half ago.  Before that I had a very difficult time eating most vegetables.  Of course the fact that my entire colon was removed in 2001 has a lot to do with it. Since I have gone to staying away from gluten I am finding my gut tolerates vegetables more readily.  I still can only do very small amounts of high fiber vegetables, and imagine that will not totally change, but I am experiencing a better energy level being gluten free and of course my spine is definitely feeling better.  I told Charla the other day I feel taller, like the middle of my back has been freed up! Amazing isnt it!!! I am obviously very sensitive to gluten as I also have had rhuematoid arthritis for almost 30 years. Years of using/failing virtually every prescriptive drug for arthritis greatly contributed to the decline of my gut as well.  Its baffles me how little the medical community has contributed to my &quot;well&quot; being. Oddly enough the arthritis improved with the removal of my colon, ( its a horrible thing to live without however) but I am thinking if I would have known about my intolerance to gluten ages ago I likely would not have ANY of these chronic issues to deal with.  I take a prescribed Vit D gel cap now, but most tablet type vitamins reek havoc with me.  I have found a liquid multi-vitam/mineral supplement called Seasilver, which I can tolerate about every other day.  I am hoping as my gut continues to heal I will feel continually better and have the ability to introduce more fresh fruits and vegetables into my diet.  Gluten free is long over do ,and would drastically change the health of our nation. Dr&#039;s removed my colon, but very few have anything to offer as far as how do I live without it.  Thank God I am finally on the right path.  If you have any suggestions I would greatly appreciate your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Charla&#8217;s Mom. I gradually started removing gluten from my diet about a year and a half ago.  Before that I had a very difficult time eating most vegetables.  Of course the fact that my entire colon was removed in 2001 has a lot to do with it. Since I have gone to staying away from gluten I am finding my gut tolerates vegetables more readily.  I still can only do very small amounts of high fiber vegetables, and imagine that will not totally change, but I am experiencing a better energy level being gluten free and of course my spine is definitely feeling better.  I told Charla the other day I feel taller, like the middle of my back has been freed up! Amazing isnt it!!! I am obviously very sensitive to gluten as I also have had rhuematoid arthritis for almost 30 years. Years of using/failing virtually every prescriptive drug for arthritis greatly contributed to the decline of my gut as well.  Its baffles me how little the medical community has contributed to my &#8220;well&#8221; being. Oddly enough the arthritis improved with the removal of my colon, ( its a horrible thing to live without however) but I am thinking if I would have known about my intolerance to gluten ages ago I likely would not have ANY of these chronic issues to deal with.  I take a prescribed Vit D gel cap now, but most tablet type vitamins reek havoc with me.  I have found a liquid multi-vitam/mineral supplement called Seasilver, which I can tolerate about every other day.  I am hoping as my gut continues to heal I will feel continually better and have the ability to introduce more fresh fruits and vegetables into my diet.  Gluten free is long over do ,and would drastically change the health of our nation. Dr&#8217;s removed my colon, but very few have anything to offer as far as how do I live without it.  Thank God I am finally on the right path.  If you have any suggestions I would greatly appreciate your input.</p>
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		<title>By: Charla Lang</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3201</link>
		<dc:creator>Charla Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks...I&#039;ll give the info to my mom and her DR. :)</description>
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		<title>By: ec</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3200</link>
		<dc:creator>ec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love the tie-in with hormonal response!  i had been curious how the acid-load from &quot;high-protein&quot;/meat diet tied into this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love the tie-in with hormonal response!  i had been curious how the acid-load from &#8220;high-protein&#8221;/meat diet tied into this.</p>
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		<title>By: M@</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3199</link>
		<dc:creator>M@</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No prob bro. I think the acid/base load to the kidneys and the health of the GI tract you mentioned are probably more important but I was curious to know if you thought the phytates could play a role in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No prob bro. I think the acid/base load to the kidneys and the health of the GI tract you mentioned are probably more important but I was curious to know if you thought the phytates could play a role in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben W</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3198</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what i&#039;ve read it seems that hyperinsulinemia plays a HUGE role in the development of osteoporosis.

&quot;There are two major causes, one is a high carbohydrate diet which causes hyperinsulinemia. People walking around with hyperinsulinemia can take all the calcium they want by mouth and it&#039;s all going to go out in their urine.&quot;

&quot;You take a bunch of calcium. The medical profession just assumes that it has a homing device and it knows to go into your bone. What happens if you high levels of insulin and you take a bunch of calcium. Number one, most of it is just going to go out in your urine. You would be lucky if that were the case because that part which doesn&#039;t does not have the instructions to go to your bone because the anabolic hormones aren&#039;t working.&quot;

&quot;This is first of all because of insulin, then because of the IGF&#039;s from growth hormone, also testosterone and progesterone, they are all controlled by insulin and when they are insulin resistant they can&#039;t listen to any of the anabolic hormones. So your body doesn&#039;t know how to build tissue anymore, so some of the calcium may end up in your bone, but a good deal of it will end up everywhere else.&quot;

This is all from an article about insulin and its metabolic effects by Ron Rosedale and can be found here: http://drbass.com/rosedale2.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what i&#8217;ve read it seems that hyperinsulinemia plays a HUGE role in the development of osteoporosis.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are two major causes, one is a high carbohydrate diet which causes hyperinsulinemia. People walking around with hyperinsulinemia can take all the calcium they want by mouth and it&#8217;s all going to go out in their urine.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You take a bunch of calcium. The medical profession just assumes that it has a homing device and it knows to go into your bone. What happens if you high levels of insulin and you take a bunch of calcium. Number one, most of it is just going to go out in your urine. You would be lucky if that were the case because that part which doesn&#8217;t does not have the instructions to go to your bone because the anabolic hormones aren&#8217;t working.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;This is first of all because of insulin, then because of the IGF&#8217;s from growth hormone, also testosterone and progesterone, they are all controlled by insulin and when they are insulin resistant they can&#8217;t listen to any of the anabolic hormones. So your body doesn&#8217;t know how to build tissue anymore, so some of the calcium may end up in your bone, but a good deal of it will end up everywhere else.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is all from an article about insulin and its metabolic effects by Ron Rosedale and can be found here: <a href="http://drbass.com/rosedale2.html" rel="nofollow">http://drbass.com/rosedale2.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: gios</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3197</link>
		<dc:creator>gios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Robb!!!
Once again preaching and I&#039;m absorbing it!  Keep at it, stay on the box longer for the more you preach the more I absorb and learn and then pass onto my clients and parents.

Thank you humbly for a great lesson.  Just when I thought I knew just enough to shed some light on the subject at hand, I get handed a hefty dosage of humble pie.  I love it.

G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Robb!!!<br />
Once again preaching and I&#8217;m absorbing it!  Keep at it, stay on the box longer for the more you preach the more I absorb and learn and then pass onto my clients and parents.</p>
<p>Thank you humbly for a great lesson.  Just when I thought I knew just enough to shed some light on the subject at hand, I get handed a hefty dosage of humble pie.  I love it.</p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
		<link>http://www.robbwolf.com/2009/03/19/paleo-vs-osteoporosis/#comment-3196</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  My thought is that calcium assimilation would likely also be higher in those with adequate vitamin D intake.  The body&#039;s requirements, I believe, will differ based on diet, with higher requirements for a grain-based diet.  Of course, a natural, mostly whole foods paleo diet would probably be much better in vitamin D intake than the standard American diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  My thought is that calcium assimilation would likely also be higher in those with adequate vitamin D intake.  The body&#8217;s requirements, I believe, will differ based on diet, with higher requirements for a grain-based diet.  Of course, a natural, mostly whole foods paleo diet would probably be much better in vitamin D intake than the standard American diet.</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M@!!!
It did not occur to me! Good pick-up!</description>
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It did not occur to me! Good pick-up!</p>
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		<title>By: Chechi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chechi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robb,

thanks for all the FREE  info and being such a great asset to the community and myself I had the pleasure of attending your nut. cert in Chico last year &amp; it literally changed my life and those around me. My Q is, I have a mother who is about 72 that lives about an hour away from ya she has adopted a full paleo diet since I attended your cert. last year She&#039;s doing awesome but her Dr. Is a freackin moron she&#039;s had High BP and has been on a cpl meds for the past 30+ yrs, she is very hesitant to get off them without the recomendation of a Dr but her weenie Dr. views her as just another # and doesn&#039;t understand the idea of people changing for the better and not having to rely on big pharm...The doc actually suggested oatmeal instead of brocc for breakfast!! So do you have any recommendations of any Dr&#039;s in the area(or as clients) that see more eye to eye with our way living, eating and moving our bodies...anything would help ...thanks again

Chechi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robb,</p>
<p>thanks for all the FREE  info and being such a great asset to the community and myself I had the pleasure of attending your nut. cert in Chico last year &amp; it literally changed my life and those around me. My Q is, I have a mother who is about 72 that lives about an hour away from ya she has adopted a full paleo diet since I attended your cert. last year She&#8217;s doing awesome but her Dr. Is a freackin moron she&#8217;s had High BP and has been on a cpl meds for the past 30+ yrs, she is very hesitant to get off them without the recomendation of a Dr but her weenie Dr. views her as just another # and doesn&#8217;t understand the idea of people changing for the better and not having to rely on big pharm&#8230;The doc actually suggested oatmeal instead of brocc for breakfast!! So do you have any recommendations of any Dr&#8217;s in the area(or as clients) that see more eye to eye with our way living, eating and moving our bodies&#8230;anything would help &#8230;thanks again</p>
<p>Chechi</p>
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		<title>By: M@</title>
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		<dc:creator>M@</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! I&#039;m curious to know why you didn&#039;t mention phytates? Anyone who is going gluten-free will likely consume a lot less of these compounds, which should improve the absorption of calcium, magnesium, zinc, and iron. I understand that the lining of the GI tract must be healthy in order for adequate absorption to occur but it seems like the phytates could be playing a secondary role in this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! I&#8217;m curious to know why you didn&#8217;t mention phytates? Anyone who is going gluten-free will likely consume a lot less of these compounds, which should improve the absorption of calcium, magnesium, zinc, and iron. I understand that the lining of the GI tract must be healthy in order for adequate absorption to occur but it seems like the phytates could be playing a secondary role in this situation.</p>
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